Wyldfae Magic

[Baron Hazard]

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So the current plotline, has a Minotaur Sidhe (previously of the Summer Court) who has gained possession of a rapier called "Oathbreaker" which can be used to sever the ties that bind an oath. He has used this to begin forming around him a freehold of wyldfae free'd of their oaths.

Mostly his motivation is to "go my own way" but being another Erlking isnt beyond his reach of he allows his power to grow. The Courts are worried about how to approach it, as if Oathbreaker were to brought to bear against the fae queens, who knows what that would do. And any lesser beings may be swayed or affected similarly.

My question is cut off from Winter and Summer, does anyone have any suggestions for wyldfae magic? maybe something abit more primal and chaotic? or do you think its something that they should not have access too. What about a fae learning mortal magic?

[Ophidimancer]

Hmm ... if the whole point of this nascent Court is to be free from obligations and oaths of fealty I don't think Sponsored Magic makes very much sense, so maybe just have whatever spellcasters join this motley group reduced down to Channelers and Ritualists?

[Mrmdubois]

I find this really interesting, but have no idea how it works.

What happens if Oathbreaker is used on my "oath" to pay the cellphone company a certain amount each month in order to receive service?

Moving up the scale what happens when it's used to cut the obligations of debt between countries?  The probable answer is that the world's economy collapses.

This probably gets even worse with far who draw their identity so heavily from the ideas of debt, obligations and oaths.

So I'm with Ophidimancer here, I don't really see it working for a new sponsored magic, unless it can only be used to immediately accomplish the goals of the sponsor's agenda.  There would be a really tight limit on credit, and the compel would occur at the same time as the casting.

This changes to regular sponsored magic deals if the Minotaur is simply rearranging where debt lies by cutting former oaths of fealty to other Courts and accepting and giving new ones to his own.  Of course this means his court will have a total breakdown in relations with other courts, the Winter/Summer conflict will become a three way, and the Minotaur will either win, or get obliterated by gajillions of hate filled free agents whose bonds of oaths he's cut.

If it changes to regular sponsored magic it will probably look like a weird hodgepodge of Summer and Winter since it could signify the endings and beginnings of things, and of course wildness.  Probably less elemental though, and not growth or decay.

Fae technically wield mortal magic already...sort of.  Jim has said fae are just a tiny bit mortal.  Obviously they aren't mortal enough to have souls, or free will, but that may simply be the result of taking their magic and their nature and binding it so tightly to so many restrictions in order to increase its power.  Whether or not this has changed their magic that it has become too completely other, or they are still capable of the full spectrum of magical options is up to you.  In fact, an unbound fae seems to me very likely to start right back at the beginning of magic when all the options are still open.

[Baron Hazard]

Thank you Mrmdubois, well for the sake here im talking about its ability to sever mystically/bound oaths, similar to the fae, and potentially other supernatural contracts. but not just a vocal agreement amongst two people or even a signed oath that is not magically held.

However a serious unbalance is the issue, if allowed to gain enough power and remain unchecked he could cause the whole house of cards to crumble, for sure. What worse is both queens, while they know they should never try to 'win' cant help it, it is their nature. So both want the oathbreaker for themselves. I may not have thought of every indication presentable. but apocalyptic is on the table.

And yah I wasnt sure of a canon "could fae learn magic" in either direction, I was considering saying yes, and if you vaguely remember hearing WoJ say that then I think I may do that.

People should feel more than welcoem to continue to chime in on ideas if you so desire.

[Sanctaphrax]

I dunno if this'll be useful, but here are the three homebrew fey magics I've seen.

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WYLD MAGIC [-4]
Description: Drawing on the power of the Wyld Court of the Erlking, you're able to cast spells that fit its essential nature: wildness, hunting, balefire, predation. These magics are under the sway and watch of the Erlking; making use of them will inevitably catch his notice.
Sponsor: The Erlking.
Agenda: The Wyldfae are not as fixed in their ways as Winter and Summer fey are, and the Erlking's agenda can change quickly. He is usually neutral and very instinctual. He is not about cruelty, but you really don't want to show weakness to him.
Evocation: Wyld evocations make use of balefire, the Erlking's favoured element.
Thaumaturgy: Wyld Magic can be used to cast rituals that fall within the themes of wildness, hunting, balefire, and predation.
Evothaum: When used to hunt, summoning and divination rituals can be cast with Evocation's speed and methods using Wyld Magic.
Extra Benefits: Wyld Magic provides a +1 bonus to the power or complexity of any spell used to hunt.

SPRING MAGIC/SAOLION [-4]
Description: Drawing upon the Pure Way, the power of the fallen Spring Court, you are able to cast spells that fit its essential nature: change, growth, renewal, light, vitality and earth. These magics are under the sway and watch of the Oberon, Lord of Faerie and inevitably making use of them will draw his notice. This is ancient and rarely practiced lore, focusing on bringing forth the new. This is the power to reveal what is hidden, restore what has been lost and replace what no longer serves its purpose.
Sponsor: The Faerie Lord Oberon and his Spring Court.
Agenda: The revelation of what is hidden, the restoration of what has been lost, the replacement of what no longer has a purpose, and the creation of the new. Plus the destruction of opposing Courts.
Evocation: Spring Magic Evocations make use of earth, plant life, and light.
Thaumaturgy: Spring Magic rituals can be used to create things, to create and manipulate light, or to reveal secrets.
Evothaum: Spring Magic allows its user to cast photomancy rituals with the speed and methods of Evocation.
Extra Benefits: Spring Magic ignores one level of Toughness when used against faeries of opposing Courts.

AUTUMN MAGIC [-4]
Description: Drawing upon the power of the fallen Autumn Court, you are able to cast spells that bring things to an end and harvest what's left behind. These magics are under the sway of the Lord Of Faerie known as The Reaper and using them will inevitably draw his attention.
Sponsor: The Reaper and his Autumn Court.
Agenda: The destruction of old things and the natural process of decay. The collection and liquidation of resources. Hunting. Bringing things to an end. Plus the destruction of opposing Courts.
Evocation: Autumn Magic evocations often manipulate dust or cause targets to rot instantly.
Thaumaturgy: Autumn Magic rituals end things and harvest the leftovers. They involve death, decay, and the collection of valuable things. They can also be used for to track down prey and for hunting in general.
Evothaum: Autumn Magic allows its user to cast necromancy rituals with the speed and methods of Evocation.
Extra Benefits: Autumn Magic ignores one level of Toughness when used against faeries of opposing Courts.

[Lavecki121]

Its an interesting concept. Fae magic doesnt seem to be any different to my understanding as far as being wild or part of any other court, its mainly what direction your magic is focused on. As far as oathbreaker goes I feel that the minator could still have emisaries that could draw off of his power as long as he didnt use oathbreaker on them.

It also poses an interesting concept if any of your PC's are using sponsored magic and come up against this person because he could theoretically sever their ties to their sponsor.

[Mrmdubois]

In the write ups for Summer and Winter sponsored magic they both cover wildness.  I would assume other faerie magic does as well, but you know what they say about assuming.

In creating a wyldfae sponsored magic, Summer and Winter have a lot of ground covered. Wildness itself probably covers the chaos factor well enough, growth and decay, warmth and cold are also really quite primal.  So like I said, it would probably look like so e kind of strange hodgepodge or maybe even outright copyright infringement of Summer and Winter.  Which kind of makes sense if you go with what I said earlier about unbound far possibly using magic that looks quite similar to mortal magic.  Wyldfae don't have a formal allegiance to any court until they're Called.

Calling is weird though, I mean, Harry did it with Toot and his gang in Summer Knight.  If that keeps up are we going to see pixies running around with Harry magic?

[Mrmdubois]

Thank you Mrmdubois, well for the sake here im talking about its ability to sever mystically/bound oaths, similar to the fae, and potentially other supernatural contracts. but not just a vocal agreement amongst two people or even a signed oath that is not magically held.

Also this.  Technically any kind of oath is magically bound according to some sidebar in the rule books.  It's just that people who wield or have more metaphysical power also experience more backlash from breaking those oaths.  A mortal gets a cold, a wizard becomes practically helpless, Harry breaking his deal with Lea multiple times being my example.

[Lavecki121]

Thats quite the thought Mrmdubois, and that is also something to consider. Would Oathbreaker cause the backlash to happen on the person it is used on or would it absorb that backlash? Could that backlash be used on someone else if it is absorbed? This would make the minataur much more powerful indeed.

[Baron Hazard]

Yah alot of good thoughts here. The Minotaur is strong enough that both Faerie Queens are nervous and have been moving cautiously. He i poised to make himself another Erlking, he just wants to go his own way and allow others who want to to do the same with him.

One solution I have considered is if the players can sponsor and get enough signatories of the accords to provide him status as a freeholding lord he will be afforded some protection and need not feel necessary to 'bring the fight' to Summer and Winter so to speak.

[Mrmdubois]

In exchange for the responsibilities of a sovereign supernatural nation, sure.

Freedom is always exchanged for safety.