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Re: Writing godlike characters (without making everything Kryptonite)
« Reply #15 on: September 08, 2012, 11:55:38 AM »
Not Pokemon enough...  Not nearly. 

Nobodies been worried about you using Ponies as an influence.  Wouldn't be my choice, but my writing has Pokemon, Avatar(airbender and according to my girlfriend blue space people too(but really that's the zelda bit)), Zelda, X-men, Jurassic Park, The Dresden Files, Bartimaeus and a variety of other things on its list of inspiration material.  Most of those were subconscious references I figured out later, but hey.

I think it broke my writing teacher's brain when I mentioned that my epic fantasy story was inspired by My Little Pony. She had trouble forming coherent sentences.

I've had success (later in the timeline, earlier in my writing) with challenging her by giving her conflicting goals. One large battle scene has her dealing with an eldritch abomination that has manifested as a vast, sentient supercell thunderstorm. She has to focus on battling the storm, while her support attacks the heavily fortified city below and take out the cloud factories feeding it. The Mwachi pirates don't have an eldritch abomination supporting them, but perhaps I could use a similar divide and conquer technique?

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Re: Writing godlike characters (without making everything Kryptonite)
« Reply #16 on: September 17, 2012, 05:59:48 PM »
When dealing with god-like beings the big thing I find is to have clearly defined limitations on power, lest it turn into a Deus ex Mchina situation.  You mentioned that they have specific purviews, and are more or less human outside fo that, so Id run with that.   Make sure to have problems that are outside her purview, so that she has to rely on cleverness and more mundane solutions.  If there are a bunch of different Gods showing up on stage, establsh  things that even the Gods cannot do, like Resurrection or Time Travel.  Figure out what it is the different Gods fear, or how their powers can go out of their control, and highlight it.  You mentioned a fatigue effect if they use to much;  what happens if they push it too far?  Does their power dry up temporarily? Permanently, burning out their godhood?  Do they drop off into some 100-year hibernation, leaving them vulnerable?  Or turn to stone, leaving them trapped but otherwise safe?

You mentioned the Exalted System in the OP.  If you like that one, Id highly recommend you take a look at the Scion system by the same company.  It addresses this very quandry (in RPG form), having sourcebooks that take you from generic hero all the way to full-blown pantheist God, (greek olympians, norse Aesir, etc).
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Re: Writing godlike characters (without making everything Kryptonite)
« Reply #17 on: September 22, 2012, 06:38:16 PM »
I mention exalted, but I really try to avoid looking at RPGs for writing inspiration unless they're specifically meant for what I'm trying to write. Just a shorthand way for me to describe the sort of power some of the characters have. Still, Scion has piqued my interest in the past. I'll probably give it a look.

When they use their powers, it really just fatigues them like anything else. It's a high magic setting so everyone has SOME degree of magical talent and power. What makes the sisters special is that they have access to three different kinds of magic, their talents are very diverse, and they have much deeper wells of energy. When they use up their power they just get really tired. And like anyone who is fatigued mentally and physically, but still trying to surpass their limits, they tend to act irrationally and make stupid mistakes. For all their power, they're essentially human in mindset.

I've pretty much sketched out how the fight with the pirates will go. They use their green dust magic to create a "sea" for the ships to sail on ABOVE the waves, then the mist rolls in like a fog. The mist itself is dangerous to people caught in it, so my main has to fight them in the sky, separated from her forces below who have to deal with the stragglers who wade ashore from the non-flying ships. Up there, she ends up having to deal with cannon-bearing ships, the pirates themselves, and their powerful leader whose magic is producing the green dust.  She's relatively new at fighting so all of this together is a severe challenge.

In another scene I wrote out, I tested the limits of their immortality. A traitor manages to get the drop on the other sister and runs her through the chest. She has powerful healing, but with the downside it brings all the pain of the healed injury at once. So she puts on a great show of humbling the traitor while discreetly cauterizing the wound. Allow me to show that exerpt:

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I have not finished writing the next scene yet, but that is the exact limit of her immortality. As soon as the coast is clear, she collapses, barely managing to keep herself alive until her sister returns to help her heal. If he actually had run her right through the heart, the ending would have been very different.

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Re: Writing godlike characters (without making everything Kryptonite)
« Reply #18 on: September 24, 2012, 08:45:10 PM »
The bog take-away I got from Scion (still well worth the look on its own rights, it was inspired by American Gods, and could be thought of as an RPG for that in many respects) is that a God is God-like within the bounds of his purview, but not much better than an average mortal outside of it.  They may all be a little more durable, or some such base-line powers as you choose, but an awesomely powerful God of Fire and Death might still have to hitchhike to get across the country, while a Trickster God might not have much in the way of direct conflict Might.  A God of the Forrest might be useless in a modern social situation, or taken to an extreme might loose power when away from its domain.  It was also heavily tied up in the artifacts of legend that are central to so may of the classic myths, not sure if that necessarily fits with your world, but its fun and helpful when building the Legend that such characters are supposed to fill.
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