Questions for Jim 2012 style 2

[KevinSig]

Even then Intellectus is not Intellectus.

I would suppose if all Angels and Fallen have Intellectus, their Intellectus would have something to do with their (former) job.
In other words a very limited Intellectus for the 'small' (without an Arch-) ones.

It would not help Lasciel much, to know everything about spiders.

Urield kinda proves otherwise.  In the short story The Warrior, he goes over Harry's actions & the results.  Uriel also explains how Heaven specifically brought Harry into this, possibly because of these desired results.

And in Ghost Story, Uriel similarly touches on this, in how he brought in Harry, to help Molly & get rid of Corpsetaker.


Plus, people seem to be hung up on the fact that Bob can be wrong.  The potential to be wrong isn't the same as constantly being a sourse of corrupted information.  I think in his discussion on the Skinwalker, Harry outlines how Bob is at least generally right.

Also, those people who are doubting Bob's info on the matter, should take a second & ask themselves if they doubt him because they don't like the answer, or because they've got reason (supported by the text) to think something is fishy.  I've run into this myself, but just because you want something to be true, doesn't mean it is.

Otherwise, you're trying to knock a square peg into a solid steel wall.  Which just doesn't work.

[the neurovore of Zur-En-Aargh]

Urield kinda proves otherwise.  In the short story The Warrior, he goes over Harry's actions & the results.  Uriel also explains how Heaven specifically brought Harry into this, possibly because of these desired results.
And in Ghost Story, Uriel similarly touches on this, in how he brought in Harry, to help Molly & get rid of Corpsetaker.

These are datapoints for the intellectus capacities of archangels, but do not sfaict lock down what mere angels, Fallen or otherwise, have available in that direction.

Plus, people seem to be hung up on the fact that Bob can be wrong.  The potential to be wrong isn't the same as constantly being a sourse of corrupted information.  I think in his discussion on the Skinwalker, Harry outlines how Bob is at least generally right.

I think Bob's knowledge has some clearly defined limitations that we can reasonably well map from the text and use as metrics for how much he is likely to know on any given subject.  He does not know about Tera West in FM; he's dead wrong about figuring out how the Nightmare got through the threshold, early in GP; more to the point of the current discussion, he is explicitly either unwilling or unable to talk much about matters related to angels and Fallen in DM.

[Quantus]

very true.  Matters of faith are so completely alien to what he is that he really has no comprehension of most of it.  That part of why I think there is a whole lot more to Soulfire than what Bob told harry it does

[TheCuriousFan]

Even then Intellectus is not Intellectus.

I would suppose if all Angels and Fallen have Intellectus, their Intellectus would have something to do with their (former) job.
In other words a very limited Intellectus for the 'small' (without an Arch-) ones.

It would not help Lasciel much, to know everything about spiders.

Why do you assume that Lasciel's job was related to spiders?

[peregrine]

She is called the Webweaver.

Another question, just an idle curiosity thing mostly,

If Harry had had the presence of mind to throw a Death Curse, would that have caused problems for him re: meeting Jack, and setting the plot of Ghost Story in motion?  Or would it have progressed the same, + changes from the affects of his curse?

[Smithdj36]

very true.  Matters of faith are so completely alien to what he is that he really has no comprehension of most of it.  That part of why I think there is a whole lot more to Soulfire than what Bob told harry it does

right you are Quantus right you are

[King Ash]

These are datapoints for the intellectus capacities of archangels, but do not sfaict lock down what mere angels, Fallen or otherwise, have available in that direction.
I think Bob's knowledge has some clearly defined limitations that we can reasonably well map from the text and use as metrics for how much he is likely to know on any given subject.  He does not know about Tera West in FM; he's dead wrong about figuring out how the Nightmare got through the threshold, early in GP; more to the point of the current discussion, he is explicitly either unwilling or unable to talk much about matters related to angels and Fallen in DM.

I got the impression that he didn't want to talk about the fallen, rather than didn't know about them. He seemed rather terrified when Harry described Ursiel's glyph and described the archangels as being too important to not know about. It was the Shroud of Turin that Bob couldn't sense due to faith being 90 degrees from knowledge.

[TheCuriousFan]

She is called the Webweaver.

Another question, just an idle curiosity thing mostly,

If Harry had had the presence of mind to throw a Death Curse, would that have caused problems for him re: meeting Jack, and setting the plot of Ghost Story in motion?  Or would it have progressed the same, + changes from the affects of his curse?

She must have been bored out of her mind in the billions of years spiders didn't exist then.

[Smithdj36]

true so her name has to be symbolic. maybe she got it cuz she likes to play tricks (just a thought) .

[KevinSig]

She must have been bored out of her mind in the billions of years spiders didn't exist then.

Depending on when the angels were created.  Non Dresden cannon, but I think it isn't until the rise of Christianity that the Fallen are discussed.  So its possible that The Fall from heaven happened within the period of human existence.

So it might be feasible that Lashiel's creation happened after spiders arose.

[Smithdj36]

Depending on when the angels were created.  Non Dresden cannon, but I think it isn't until the rise of Christianity that the Fallen are discussed.  So its possible that The Fall from heaven happened within the period of human existence.

So it might be feasible that Lashiel's creation happened after spiders arose.

cant be  Thorned Namshie said he was tjere when our kind was hewn from the muck ( toward the end of SF before eldest bro gruff got to Demonreach ).

[the neurovore of Zur-En-Aargh]

Depending on when the angels were created.  Non Dresden cannon, but I think it isn't until the rise of Christianity that the Fallen are discussed.  So its possible that The Fall from heaven happened within the period of human existence.

Indeed, there are traditions in which the existence of humans motivates the Fall, out of jealousy.

[the neurovore of Zur-En-Aargh]

cant be  Thorned Namshie said he was tjere when our kind was hewn from the muck ( toward the end of SF before eldest bro gruff got to Demonreach ).

Fallen lie.

[Quantus]

Indeed, there are traditions in which the existence of humans motivates the Fall, out of jealousy.

But even in those it happens before the whole Eden/Forbidden-Fruit thing, as the Fallen play a part.  So it couldnt (in a literal interpretation) have been after that.  So sometime on Day 6 or 7

[Sheaman3773]

The faeries have said the exact same sentiment (though different wording) as the Fallen, that of being around long before us puny humans (and, I believe with lower confidence levels, of being around long before anything else). Who's to say whether it all seems true to them, even if it's factually false?

If belief creates deities, then would not TWG have come into being believing the beliefs about him were true? Would not perforce the Angels, Fallen or not, also believe the same thing?