PG: combining Neurovore and Knnn.

[Ms Duck]

a paragraph or two later, its where she says 'harry has to know about your mother, the black court and the outsiders.'. someone asked JIm if this was a mistake, that its supposed to be 'the black circle' and he laughed evilly and said no, it is the black court.

ill post the citation tonight when i get home if no one else does.

[knnn]

Here is the quote:

"Listen," Lasciel said, giving my head a little shake. "You have the potential to hold great power over them. You may be able to escape the power now held over you. If you are sure it is what you want, I can give you an opportunity to defy Malvora's sending. But you'll have to hurry. I don't know how long it will take to throw it off, and they are almost upon you."

After which, we were going to have a long talk about my mother and these Outsiders and their relation to the Black Court and exactly what the hell was going on.

Lasciel—Lash, rather—nodded once and said, "I will tell you all that I can, Harry."

To be absolutely precise, the Outsider-Black Court connection is actually Harry's thought process, not Lash.  That said, the fact that his subconscious would make that connection  implies something...

In any case, I too would like to see the reference to that WoJ.

[asetti]

If the fetches were really Fea, how did they kill random people at the convention?  I thought that was off limits for Fea in SUmmer and Winter?

[Mr. Death]

It's something the Faerie Queens don't do, and that they discourage their subjects from doing, as I understand it.

[asetti]

It's something the Faerie Queens don't do, and that they discourage their subjects from doing, as I understand it.

And yet (if you beleive most of the threads about PG) Mab sent the fetches into the convention and allowed/encourged them to kill innocent bystandards...

[the neurovore of Zur-En-Aargh]

And yet (if you beleive most of the threads about PG) Mab sent the fetches into the convention and allowed/encourged them to kill innocent bystandards...

Which is another supplementary reason to believe the Scarecrow is working at cross-purposes to Mab.

[knnn]

Same way those Hobs were allowed to attack the guys in the train station?

[Mr. Death]

And yet (if you beleive most of the threads about PG) Mab sent the fetches into the convention and allowed/encourged them to kill innocent bystandards...

My point was it's not something they can't do, just something they usually don't do.

[the neurovore of Zur-En-Aargh]

To be absolutely precise, the Outsider-Black Court connection is actually Harry's thought process, not Lash.  That said, the fact that his subconscious would make that connection  implies something...

Has there been anything in any of Mavra's appearances that might point Harry at associating her with Outsiders, then ?

[the neurovore of Zur-En-Aargh]

My point was it's not something they can't do, just something they usually don't do.

And there's the troll in "Restoration of Faith", and iirc a number of references to the Alphas driving off minor supernatural predators including some from Winter.  The impression I have is that generic Winter fae on Earth can hunt pretty much as they like, and it's only concerted action by or at the instigation of a Queen that needs the mortal concerned to be in some way already entangled with Faerie.

[knnn]

Has there been anything in any of Mavra's appearances that might point Harry at associating her with Outsiders, then ?

Not that I know of.  Harry doesn't mention Outsiders very often (he doesn't even find out that HHWB is Outsider till now).

IRC, until now, the only time Harry is aware of actual Outsider encounters until now are the Outsiders mentioned in DB and PG. In neither of those cases is Mavra obviously connected.

- In DB Cowl has an "alibi", so the Outsider-Cowl-Mavra connection isn't really apparent.
- In PG, maybe Sandra Marlin is a Mavra connection.

[Vairelome]

And there's the troll in "Restoration of Faith", and iirc a number of references to the Alphas driving off minor supernatural predators including some from Winter.  The impression I have is that generic Winter fae on Earth can hunt pretty much as they like, and it's only concerted action by or at the instigation of a Queen that needs the mortal concerned to be in some way already entangled with Faerie.

Actually, I think the troll is an excellent example.  As I remember, he says something like "Faith is my lawful prey, being a naughty child crossing my bridge."  I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of the cases involved people blundering across a limit set by some superstition that permitted a particular type of Fae to consider them fair game.  In many faerie tales, mortals can get in some serious trouble by doing something seemingly inconsequential or failing to perform some minor rite.  The action or omission was trivial to the mortal, but a big deal to the Fae, so the Fae is permitted to wreak havoc in response.

[Griffyn612]

Not that I know of.  Harry doesn't mention Outsiders very often (he doesn't even find out that HHWB is Outsider till now).

IRC, until now, the only time Harry is aware of actual Outsider encounters until now are the Outsiders mentioned in DB and PG. In neither of those cases is Mavra obviously connected.

- In DB Cowl has an "alibi", so the Outsider-Cowl-Mavra connection isn't really apparent.
- In PG, maybe Sandra Marlin is a Mavra connection.

I think the other problem with it is that mortals have to summon Outsiders.  And Blamps aren't really mortals anymore.  Otherwise, Wamps and Ramps could do it too.

And as for Cowl's alibi... having just reread parts of that while researching, the Outsiders were involved in attacks as early as 3 days before Halloween.  So Cowl COULD have been involved in the initial summoning prior to that, and still shown up in Chicago for the rest.  But I agree that there's probably someone else summoning as well.  Possibly Peabody?

[Kettu]

All the people who were at Splattercon!!! were there because they wanted to feel fear. Maybe that was enough to make them legal prey for the fetches.


Re: BC-Outsider -connection
Harry's subconscious could have drawn this connection if he started with Cowl and Vitto, who was Outsider-backed, working together, and then continued to Cowl, Bianca, and Mavra all being chummy back in Grave Peril. The Outsiders are working with Cowl, Cowl was working with Bianca, Bianca was working with Mavra, ergo there is a connection between Mavra and Outsiders, although it seems weak... Unless his subconscious also noticed something we haven't. A similarity in the feel of Mavra's magic and Outsider magic?

[knnn]

All the people who were at Splattercon!!! were there because they wanted to feel fear. Maybe that was enough to make them legal prey for the fetches.


Re: BC-Outsider -connection
Harry's subconscious could have drawn this connection if he started with Cowl and Vitto, who was Outsider-backed, working together, and then continued to Cowl, Bianca, and Mavra all being chummy back in Grave Peril. The Outsiders are working with Cowl, Cowl was working with Bianca, Bianca was working with Mavra, ergo there is a connection between Mavra and Outsiders, although it seems weak... Unless his subconscious also noticed something we haven't. A similarity in the feel of Mavra's magic and Outsider magic?

He only just found out that Vitto was in fact Outsider-powered.  His subconsciousness must be really quick at making connections...