Sword of the cross modification

[Taskill_Mckennan]

**The idea factory starts churning**
Oooh... Sword of the Fall? A sliver of a Fallen Angel's sword, shattered during the War of Angels, reforged into a Mortal weapon... What powers could it have? Hmmm.... Oh, Thanks for the idea!

No problem I've gotten plenty thanks to my brief tenure here. Now I want this artifact in in my campaign as well. I could just imagine a Knight of the Cross vs. A (Insert evil sounding name here)

[Orladdin]

A (Insert evil sounding name here)

Grim Guard

[computerking]

A (Insert evil sounding name here)

Marauder of Dissonance?
Cavalier of Corruption?
Carnifex Angelus (Latin for Executioner of Angels)?

[Orladdin]

Marauder of Dissonance?
Cavalier of Corruption?
Carnifex Angelus (Latin for Executioner of Angels)?

Illblade of Malcontent
Damner
Templar of Sorrow


...  this is pretty fun.  ^_^

[Orladdin]

To drag us back on topic, there's a lot of ways to do what you want -- that's the strength of the DFRPG -- pick the one that best suits your campaign's feel.

I love your "Luchador of Leviticus" idea.  :-D

[Taskill_Mckennan]

To drag us back on topic, there's a lot of ways to do what you want -- that's the strength of the DFRPG -- pick the one that best suits your campaign's feel.

I love your "Luchador of Leviticus" idea.  :-D

Phrased like that...i think he's only second to our Steam Punk Iron man lycanthrope

[InFerrumVeritas]

What happens when two unbreakable weapons collide?

Um, the wielders of such weapons break instead.  Duh.

[Taskill_Mckennan]

That could work as well Inferrum lol

[Richard_Chilton]

There was a good "holy warrior" vs "holy warrior" clash in a Simon R Green novel - "Just Another Judgment Day".  Below are spoilers for that book (which is one Jim Butcher probably read as he's cited Simon R Green as one of his favourite authors)

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After the clash, the loser examined his motives and decided that he had gone into the conflict for his personal glory - not the glory of his religion or because it was what his religion wanted him to do.  Since he had made it about himself it made sense to him that his god hadn't been there for him.

There was another good "unbeatable weapon vs unbeatable weapon" in Saberhagen's Swords books.

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Shieldbreaker destroyed any weapon used to attack it.
Doomgiver turned any attack back upon the attacker (i.e. If you cast a love spell on the welder then you would be the one hit with the love charm).
In Shieldbreaker vs Doomgiver, Shieldbreaker won.  As it did when used against any of the 12 Swords.

My advice?
When "unbeatable, backed by a god" weapons meet, look at:
1) The legends behind the weapon, and
2) How well each character has been following their beliefs.
Then make a judgment call.

Better yet, insert strange things into the scene to keep them from meeting.  A random gook gets in one character's way, one character is called away, someone slips and when he gets up the battle has swept his foe away from him, etc.  Basically, have the powers behind the weapons decide to keep them apart.

And yes, I can cite a book for this one too.

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In one of the first Thieves' World books: a character who had been promised "you will never lose a game" by the head of the Rankan pantheon got into a dice game with a character who had been promised "you will never lose a game" by the head of the Ilsigi pantheon.  The first character rolled the dice and got the second best roll possible.  The second character rolled the dice and - and they hit something at an odd angle, bounced on to the floor, and slipped between a chink in the floorboards that might or might not have been there before they started that dice game.  With the dice lost there couldn't be a winner or loser and the two pantheons didn't have to throw down to see whose "you will never lose" would go through.

Richard

[Taskill_Mckennan]

1. Good to see another fan of Simon R. Green, his secret History's books brought me to Butchers's.
2. I'm thinking the ideas set out above are not bad, and I will probably use them as we head into my epic war that's starting up soon hopefully

[Harboe]

Carnifex Angelus (Latin for Executioner of Angels)?

Carnifex would be better translated as "torturer," as it is the act of changing flesh. Still, an awesome name. The title is a bit ambiguous, since you've left angelus in singular nominative. Personally, I'd call it "Carnifex Angeli"

There's also something to be said for a weapon warping flesh and causing pain rather than bringing a clean death. Appropriately, it may only be destroyed by the compassionate tears of an angel

[vultur]

Carnifex would be better translated as "torturer," as it is the act of changing flesh.

Really? The way I learned it, "carnifex" means "executioner" (or "butcher", which is the literal meaning - "carni-fex" means "meat maker").

[computerking]

Really? The way I learned it, "carnifex" means "executioner" (or "butcher", which is the literal meaning - "carni-fex" means "meat maker").

I learned it that way, as well (The character Carnifex from the Wild Cards series was said to have a name meaning "Butcher", but in looking it up online I found Executioner to be a more expected meaning. Of course, I haven't asked anyone who actually knows latin, so YMMV).
But torturer works just as well.

[devonapple]

carnifex or carnufex ficis, m
caro + 2 FAC-, an executioner, hangman: carnificum cruciamenta: iacens Inter carnifices, Iu.: suus, his destroyer: tuus, employed by you: O carnifex, scoundrel.—A tormentor, murderer: meus, T.: civium, butcher: ad vexandam plebem creatus, L.

Lewis, Charlton, T. An Elementary Latin Dictionary. New York, Cincinnati, and Chicago. American Book Company. 1890.

[Becq]

Carnifex?