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Re: Are Readers Growing Tired of New Urban Fantasy?
« Reply #45 on: April 04, 2012, 03:15:38 PM »
i set a actualy sevral biuldings on fire *looks inersent*
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Re: Are Readers Growing Tired of New Urban Fantasy?
« Reply #46 on: April 04, 2012, 11:21:56 PM »

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I think this is where I have a problem as well. I have no problem at all with paranormal romance. I don't like it when it is deceitfully packaged. When I pick up a book about a tough, no nonsense monster hunter and find that the main character spends three fourths of her time thinking about one (or two, or three, or...) of the other characters looks, charm, voice, etc. it annoys me greatly. On the other hand I have absolutely problem when a good author has some overlap. The previously mentioned Kate Andrews books are a good example of this. The romance is a definite part of the stories but, for the most part, it has not threatened to become the main plot.

I agree. the later anita blake books turn out to be two sixths sex, three sixths pillow talk a and one sixth plot. a bit irritating considering the earlier books were good.

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Re: Are Readers Growing Tired of New Urban Fantasy?
« Reply #47 on: April 05, 2012, 12:48:41 AM »
I agree. the later anita blake books turn out to be two sixths sex, three sixths pillow talk a and one sixth plot. a bit irritating considering the earlier books were good.
I think is something interesting, especially when comparing to paranormal romance, because the PNRs I've read have a whole lot more story and a lot less sex.  Like Shannon's books.  And when there are sex scenes, they tend to further the plot. They're not just gratuitous.
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Re: Are Readers Growing Tired of New Urban Fantasy?
« Reply #48 on: April 05, 2012, 02:39:34 AM »
There definitely is a place for paranormal romance, after all, a huge chunk of the populations wants that romance--it's the feel good warmth it can exude that draws most fans--that happily ever after that appeals to all of us fairy tale lovers (and I am no exception there).  And, I want to make sure I emphasize that not all of them are the same.  Those gems in between sameness are the ones we usually cling to.

I think the problem that I, personally, have, is that many of the series don't focus so much on the story, but on an exceedingly limited formulaic process, particularly in paranormal romances where there is always a "true mate."  Character A meet character B.  They are destined for one another.  They have a lot of sex (which if most of us are honest, it's the only thing we're flipping through the books for :P)  there's a big conflict because Character B's life is going to be irrevocably changed, then happily ever after after when Character B accepts said change.  Rinse and repeat with different characters.

Is this all there is to paranormal romance?  Of course not.  Is this what the market is flooded with?  Yes.

And then we can twist back to the impact on urban fantasy as well.  Sex sells.  Hence, we get Laurell K. Hamilton's Anita Blake books.  Anita's as vanilla as you get through (if I remember right) the first five books.  Then bam, the books suddenly open up with menages, which immediately divides fans into the old and the new. This series has probably one of the most violent reactions not because there's suddenly lots of sex, but because the character change is too rapid and trying to fit a growing market.

Okay, so now I'm swinging back around again--I think it's pretty much a cyclical pattern, as are most things in life, but paranormal romance impacts urban fantasy, and vice versa, but the authors we love the most tend to be the ones that buck the trends.

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Re: Are Readers Growing Tired of New Urban Fantasy?
« Reply #49 on: April 05, 2012, 03:44:30 AM »
regarding the supernatural romance issues, I think the fact needs to be addressed as a plot hole that you have characters spending an inordinate amount of time and thought on shacking up in situations where survival would be a sane persons main concern. I started to root for the demon Al in Kim Harrison's Hallows series during one book when the character was focused more on her guy problems than the monster likely to eat her face, but this may have been intentional as every supporting character was also yelling at her to get her friggin head in the game. I laughed my head off when the demon repeated another character's earlier sentiment of a potential love interest - "he's Rachel bait".

At this point though I think it would take a lot of skill in an Urban fantasy book to play strait this trope of danger being an aphrodesiac.  The proper response to a vampire by any sane person is "OH S***!", not "he's so dreamy". This sort of behavior in a universe of supernatural nasties should get you killed. Period. Slightly lampooning this tendency is only acknowledging what every brain bearing audience member is thinking. (does that say something about twilights audience? ;)). Honestly, to do otherwise means you have characters ruled entirely by thoughts below the waist, even to the point of conflicting with self preservation. In other words, romantic idjits.

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Re: Are Readers Growing Tired of New Urban Fantasy?
« Reply #50 on: April 05, 2012, 05:30:04 PM »
Simon R. Green's Nightside series is coming to an end with The bride who Wore leather (I think, that or the next one) But, I think his other UF The Secret Histories is still going strong (Though that's UF with Spy thriller thrown in) I dunno, I think It might need a swift kick to get it breathing again, since as one of my players puts it "Most UF is just fetish fuel for the writer".

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Re: Are Readers Growing Tired of New Urban Fantasy?
« Reply #51 on: April 05, 2012, 09:42:05 PM »
Although the sheer mass of UF is stupefying and a great deal of it is not up to par, there does seem to be a new small niche for the 'soft magic' UF. By that I mean it isn't the heavy witch, warlock, vampire, werewolf, angels, etc. It just a simple intriguing plot with the soft flow of natural, non-explosive magic. Yes, I'm ducking. It is really chit lit with a soft magic overflow, but it seems to be growing and attracting new non-UF readers into its folds nicely.

Like I said, it's UF Chit Lit--so is that a new UF category? A writer who seems to be flourishing in this new category is Sarah Addison Allen. The one I read was Garden Spells. I don't even know where it's classed in the book stores. I guess it's Charmed without the demons and world threatening plot lines.
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Re: Are Readers Growing Tired of New Urban Fantasy?
« Reply #52 on: April 08, 2012, 01:05:22 PM »
A writer who seems to be flourishing in this new category is Sarah Addison Allen. The one I read was Garden Spells. I don't even know where it's classed in the book stores. I guess it's Charmed without the demons and world threatening plot lines.

You are very right about Sarah Addison Allen.  I sort of characterize her along the same lines as Alice Hoffman.  Both of them have a a touch of magic here and there in their novels, but the novels tend to be more centered on normal life issues like family, finding one's place in the world, etc.--Garden Spells even touches on domestic abuse.  I clump both authors in with magical realism because they often focus on cultural issues as well.

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Re: Are Readers Growing Tired of New Urban Fantasy?
« Reply #53 on: April 10, 2012, 09:51:21 PM »
I can tell you I'm utterly tired of reading variations on this on the book jacket.



"X is a PI/FBI/other law enforcement agent, blah blah blah problem, sexy male/vampire/werewolf person hates/doesn't want to be attracted to but must to solve the problem"

It's gotten to the point that I don't even try to read a UF book that mentions to 'love interest' on the book Jacket because it is just Paranormal Romance trying to make me think it is Urban Fantasy.

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« Reply #54 on: April 16, 2012, 12:57:07 AM »
I can tell you I'm utterly tired of reading variations on this on the book jacket.

"X is a PI/FBI/other law enforcement agent, blah blah blah problem, sexy male/vampire/werewolf person hates/doesn't want to be attracted to but must to solve the problem"

It's gotten to the point that I don't even try to read a UF book that mentions to 'love interest' on the book Jacket because it is just Paranormal Romance trying to make me think it is Urban Fantasy.

Yeah, you know it's bad when even the book synopsis displays a complete lack of originality :P

The other thing that annoys me is when a book cover completely contradicts a character.  Why would you put someone in skimpy clothes on the cover when the main character is more at home with jeans and a t-shirt?

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Re: Are Readers Growing Tired of New Urban Fantasy?
« Reply #55 on: April 16, 2012, 08:29:15 AM »
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The other thing that annoys me is when a book cover completely contradicts a character.  Why would you put someone in skimpy clothes on the cover when the main character is more at home with jeans and a t-shirt?

someone, somewhere decided sex sells. I wonder if the producers of game of thrones know the difference between a masterpiece and a porno. ugh.

personally i don't mind romance in books that much. I don't buy the books specifically for the romance, but I can ignore it fairly easily enough.

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Re: Are Readers Growing Tired of New Urban Fantasy?
« Reply #56 on: April 20, 2012, 01:59:27 AM »
A sexy picture does more for me than one that doesn't (doesn't mean I have to have it but still).  That said I've seen some hot jeans and tee shirt covers on Patricia Brigg's, Mercedes Thompson series.  So I'm not sure that sexy/attractive and dressing down are mutually exclusive.



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Re: Are Readers Growing Tired of New Urban Fantasy?
« Reply #57 on: April 20, 2012, 05:12:55 AM »
What he said  ^^
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Re: Are Readers Growing Tired of New Urban Fantasy?
« Reply #58 on: April 20, 2012, 07:11:36 AM »
someone, somewhere decided sex sells. I wonder if the producers of game of thrones know the difference between a masterpiece and a porno. ugh.

personally i don't mind romance in books that much. I don't buy the books specifically for the romance, but I can ignore it fairly easily enough.

I am of the same opinion though its not limited to the show. The books have gotten rather porntastic to the point where I don't want to read them any more simply because of how over the top it is. Same goes for the Anita Blake series.

I don't mind romance or even sex in my books so long as it serves to further the story line. If it doesn't further the story then it shouldn't be in the book. That's my opinion anyway.

As for sexy pictures on the cover, yeah most of the ones I have seen are rather ridiculous. Cover artists seem to have mixed of attractive/sexy with slutty. Bad ass vampire hunter is not going to be hunting in a freaking corset and stripper boots. And its not just in UF but SSF as well in the form of fantasy armor.

Its not just women that face these sort of issues either, men portrayed in fantasy are usually portrayed as shirtless testosterone gods of sex and abs. I find this equally annoying in a different way.

Buy some damn clothes you twats. lol
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Re: Are Readers Growing Tired of New Urban Fantasy?
« Reply #59 on: April 20, 2012, 10:27:03 AM »
Wanna see some gorgeous people who are 1) fully, non-skankily clothed and 2) not twisting their spines into pretzels for the Sexy Shot? Look at Chris McGrath's covers (well, maybe ONE that pushes the envelope, but you'll see that as a rule, everyone's dressed, non-twisted and still attractive): http://christianmcgrath.com/
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