Seventh law violations for outsider sponsored magic

[Masurao]

A thing just popped up in my mind... Should Sponsored Magic (Outsider) cost more than 4 Refresh? I know that it requires Lawbreaker as well, which is a mixed blessing, but the creature in question would also have far more trouble to collect any debt, plus it can be used to lower the Toughness/Recovery powers of practically anyone/-thing, as energy from 'Outside' have never really been quite that common in our universe...

[sinker]

I would think that any benefit might be balanced by the downsides. I mean that's a pretty harsh agenda, and sponsor compels would tend to be pretty nasty.

[Masurao]

Well, I'll grant you that the compels might be nasty, but I guess it also depends on whether you allow it to 'bypass' the Toughness powers of just about everything or not.

What kind of compels do you envision? One that I could see coming up several times, if not often, would be for the PC to 'spread the wealth', leaving Outsider-related writings around here and there. Particularly hard on White Council mages, if they manage to skim it by accident :p

[zenten]

I'm not planning on having it lower the effectiveness of toughness/recovery powers in my game.  I mean, Hellfire doesn't do that for Angelic stuff, right?

[Masurao]

True, but whatever is Outside is against everything inside. It is the antithesis of this universe, so logically it should have the desire to destroy everything within it. That leads me to think that its energies could and should give it the power to lower/bypass Toughness powers.

[CaptFisher]

I saw a really great quote here on the boards somewhere about outsiders not wanting to destroy our world, but their nature is antithetical to our existance it was something like

"They are as oceans warming themselves with a candle"

I dont think its fair to say that they want to destroy us...they just do with their existance in our world. 

In the game I am co-running beneath the city of New Orleans is the creature Mordite...in our game it is the source of the mordite used by others in the novels, and keeping him bound is the number one job of the Mayor of NO.  The ritual that binds the creature is done each year...On Fat Tuesday...unknown to the partiers at mardis gras they are not just tired from the good time they are having...but all have them have contributed a minor physical or mental consequence to the ritual to keep it bound.
The one goal the creature wants is its freedom, so the sorcerers with sponcored magic that we run into are there to cause chaos in an attempt to find the creatures location and free it.  The current idea between me and my co ST is that the creature just wants to leave....our world is as deadly to him as he is to us but he is trapped here by the gates.

Wow this turned into a very long post for me to say that the motivations of the outsiders can be very diffrent and probably unfathomable to us on the inside.  We see a sorcereer being compelled to kill and we think they want to destroy us...in fact they are doing scientific research on souls and the murders are the equivalent of drawing blood from their perspective.

We dont know, maybe for one outside it would be the catch for anything inside for another it wouldn't.

On a related note has anyone in your games toyed with the idea of a "good outsider"  still harmfull to our existance but using its minions in our world to fight the minions of the others

[Radijs]

True, but whatever is Outside is against everything inside. It is the antithesis of this universe, so logically it should have the desire to destroy everything within it. That leads me to think that its energies could and should give it the power to lower/bypass Toughness powers.

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