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Re: Jim speaks much truth
« Reply #15 on: May 30, 2006, 06:00:02 AM »
Much truth.

The LJ posts have helped my writing quite well. :D
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Re: Jim speaks much truth
« Reply #16 on: May 30, 2006, 02:42:46 PM »
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Well, you certainly broke the rule of intelligence by not using the handy-dandy edit link to edit your original post to clean up the evidence. :P
EDIT: They call it "modify" on this forum. Same thing, though.
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original post?? what original post?? I have no idea what you are talking about.  Hmm, oh well.   ;)

Anyhoo, to get back on topic, I agree with Kiriath; especially concerning character development...Jim's instructions are priceless! It seems so basic, but I had never thought to create a list of Tags or Traits for use with each character-I guess i just figured I knew my characters in my head, so they would come out consistent on paper.  As an ULTRA newbie writer, I find his basic instruction to be a very helpful resource.  Now if he can just spare the time to do an article on dialogue.......
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Re: Jim speaks much truth
« Reply #17 on: May 30, 2006, 10:52:24 PM »
First element of advice, the one everyone seems to say:
Listen to people talk. :)
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Re: Jim speaks much truth
« Reply #18 on: June 02, 2006, 05:24:13 AM »
And this is why we keep giving this man our money. He knows his shit. ;D
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Re: Jim speaks much truth
« Reply #19 on: June 02, 2006, 02:56:34 PM »
First element of advice, the one everyone seems to say:
Listen to people talk. :)

Getting a good sense of dialogue is exceedingly important.
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Re: Jim speaks much truth
« Reply #20 on: June 09, 2006, 06:25:58 PM »
Well I must say.. "words are in his blood" ... 
Jim Butcher is a very interesting mind.....
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Re: Jim speaks much truth
« Reply #21 on: June 20, 2006, 03:54:25 PM »
Jim certainly gives good advice, and I agree...his bit on LJ about character development was a huge help to me.  In my reading and library work, I've run across some memorable characters:  Harry Dresden, obviously; of course Bob is as well, because now everyone wants a talking skull...:)  Other characters like Douglas Preston and Lincoln Child's Special Agent Aloysius Pendergast, Kim Harrison's Rachel Morgan, Janet Evanovich's Stephanie Plum, and Jeffrey Deaver's Lincoln Rhyme are all very memorable characters in modern fiction.

They're all memorable for different reasons.  Harry is sarcastic and has a great sense of humor, but what makes him stick out, for me, is his heart.  Yes, he may sling spells and have more than a few questionable allies in his line of work, but he is a guy who will do whatever it takes to protect the ones he cares about.  What also strikes me with Harry is that his character has evolved, but not disappeared.  There are other writers, whom I won't mention, whose characters have lost their touch, their uniqueness. 

The other characters I mentioned have very unique attributes to them as well.  Special Agent Pendergast is a New Orleans native, old money, whose complexion is white as a sheet, and he wears only black, tailored suits.  He's a brilliant mind who has old-world tastes and a general...oddness about him.  Of course, having a psychotic younger brother out to kill you (Diogenes Pendergast) also helps. :) Rachel Morgan's got her own array of spells and magic, along with a pixie sidekick, Stephanie Plum's a klutzy bounty hunter, and Lincoln Rhyme is a crippled, but brilliant, criminal analyst.

It's just like Jim said on his LJ (as I loop back around to the starting point of this reply)...you've got to make them memorable, because otherwise, they're as flat as the page they've been printed on.
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Re: Jim speaks much truth
« Reply #22 on: July 17, 2006, 08:38:33 PM »
Jim is very good at wrighting about writing his journal has given me the advice I need to continue on with my story

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Re: Jim speaks much truth
« Reply #23 on: July 18, 2006, 12:50:49 AM »
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Re: Jim speaks much truth
« Reply #24 on: July 25, 2006, 08:24:19 AM »
You know, I think that helped me more than just about any book on writing I've ever read.

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« Reply #25 on: July 25, 2006, 05:37:30 PM »
Jim certainly gives good advice, and I agree...his bit on LJ about character development was a huge help to me.  In my reading and library work, I've run across some memorable characters:  Harry Dresden, obviously; of course Bob is as well, because now everyone wants a talking skull...:)  Other characters like Douglas Preston and Lincoln Child's Special Agent Aloysius Pendergast, Kim Harrison's Rachel Morgan, Janet Evanovich's Stephanie Plum, and Jeffrey Deaver's Lincoln Rhyme are all very memorable characters in modern fiction.

They're all memorable for different reasons.  Harry is sarcastic and has a great sense of humor, but what makes him stick out, for me, is his heart.  Yes, he may sling spells and have more than a few questionable allies in his line of work, but he is a guy who will do whatever it takes to protect the ones he cares about.  What also strikes me with Harry is that his character has evolved, but not disappeared.  There are other writers, whom I won't mention, whose characters have lost their touch, their uniqueness. 

The other characters I mentioned have very unique attributes to them as well.  Special Agent Pendergast is a New Orleans native, old money, whose complexion is white as a sheet, and he wears only black, tailored suits.  He's a brilliant mind who has old-world tastes and a general...oddness about him.  Of course, having a psychotic younger brother out to kill you (Diogenes Pendergast) also helps. :) Rachel Morgan's got her own array of spells and magic, along with a pixie sidekick, Stephanie Plum's a klutzy bounty hunter, and Lincoln Rhyme is a crippled, but brilliant, criminal analyst.

It's just like Jim said on his LJ (as I loop back around to the starting point of this reply)...you've got to make them memorable, because otherwise, they're as flat as the page they've been printed on.

Yes, your characters need, and, if you really want to go somewhere with your writing, are required to be interesting and three-dimensional. Otherwise...yeah, that whole "flat as the page they've been printed on" thing is very appropriate. :) That's why I love Jim's writing so; he never has any flat characters.

Also, I give you kudos for loving Pendergast; I adore him! ;D Preston and Child really struck gold with him and his series! I'm just so thrilled to see a Southern character who' s really smart and stylish, and who isn't portrayed as being a stupid, inbred hick! Because, despite what people may think, there aren't very many people from the South who are that way, thankyouverymuch.

Sorry. Rant over. :D Good post, pinkdoom!
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Re: Jim speaks much truth
« Reply #26 on: July 26, 2006, 08:07:55 PM »
Jim certainly gives good advice, and I agree...his bit on LJ about character development was a huge help to me. In my reading and library work, I've run across some memorable characters: Harry Dresden, obviously; of course Bob is as well, because now everyone wants a talking skull...:) Other characters like Douglas Preston and Lincoln Child's Special Agent Aloysius Pendergast, Kim Harrison's Rachel Morgan, Janet Evanovich's Stephanie Plum, and Jeffrey Deaver's Lincoln Rhyme are all very memorable characters in modern fiction.

They're all memorable for different reasons. Harry is sarcastic and has a great sense of humor, but what makes him stick out, for me, is his heart. Yes, he may sling spells and have more than a few questionable allies in his line of work, but he is a guy who will do whatever it takes to protect the ones he cares about. What also strikes me with Harry is that his character has evolved, but not disappeared. There are other writers, whom I won't mention, whose characters have lost their touch, their uniqueness.

The other characters I mentioned have very unique attributes to them as well. Special Agent Pendergast is a New Orleans native, old money, whose complexion is white as a sheet, and he wears only black, tailored suits. He's a brilliant mind who has old-world tastes and a general...oddness about him. Of course, having a psychotic younger brother out to kill you (Diogenes Pendergast) also helps. :) Rachel Morgan's got her own array of spells and magic, along with a pixie sidekick, Stephanie Plum's a klutzy bounty hunter, and Lincoln Rhyme is a crippled, but brilliant, criminal analyst.

It's just like Jim said on his LJ (as I loop back around to the starting point of this reply)...you've got to make them memorable, because otherwise, they're as flat as the page they've been printed on.

Yes, your characters need, and, if you really want to go somewhere with your writing, are required to be interesting and three-dimensional. Otherwise...yeah, that whole "flat as the page they've been printed on" thing is very appropriate. :) That's why I love Jim's writing so; he never has any flat characters.

Also, I give you kudos for loving Pendergast; I adore him! ;D Preston and Child really struck gold with him and his series! I'm just so thrilled to see a Southern character who' s really smart and stylish, and who isn't portrayed as being a stupid, inbred hick! Because, despite what people may think, there aren't very many people from the South who are that way, thankyouverymuch.

Sorry. Rant over. :D Good post, pinkdoom!


Woohoo!  Why thank you, harryismyhero!  Pendergast is just...different, in the good kind of way :)  He struck me in Relic, and I read every book from there on out!  (By the way...read Book of the Dead yet?  Let me know what you thought!!)  I'm so glad to have found another Pendergast fan!  Character is so very important, and, once again circling back to the original point of this thread, and without character, the entire plot fails.  I don't care how good it is, how unique or original or Pulitzer Prize winning it may be...characters make the story, because they are the story.

Good rant, harryismyhero...nothing wrong with a good rant! :)
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