Does Sleep Magic Break Any Laws of Magic?

[BumblingBear]

I'm not sure how I feel about the maneuver discussion above.  On the one hand, having a system to reflect things like chloroform has utility.  On the other hand, such mechanics also see risky to the realm of 'fun' in the context of the game.

Just a small nit-pick, though: to the extent that such maneuvers are allowed to knock people out of a fight, it should be noted that they are not take-outs.  The aspect is being invoked to trigger a compel to conceed, in my ever-humble opinion.  Which gives the victim quite a lot more influence on the narration that occurs subsequently.

Exactly.

Like... if a PC were knocked out with chloroform, I would allow them to use a fate point to wake up at an opportune time to make their escape.

If they're taken out, they don't get that luxury.

[devonapple]

Just a small nit-pick, though: to the extent that such maneuvers are allowed to knock people out of a fight, it should be noted that they are not take-outs.  The aspect is being invoked to trigger a compel to conceed, in my ever-humble opinion.  Which gives the victim quite a lot more influence on the narration that occurs subsequently.

I think that's a fair way to justify it, if we take that route.

[devonapple]

Like... if a PC were knocked out with chloroform, I would allow them to use a fate point to wake up at an opportune time to make their escape.

If they're taken out, they don't get that luxury.

If someone wants a PC taken alive, that's plot territory, in my book, and if a PC is taken out of the fight this way (but not formally Taken Out), I'm inclined to treat this method as a plot Compel (not a traditional Compel) and give them a Fate Point for their trouble. They would "awaken" when the plot train arrived in the station.

But if the chloroform is simply a weapon someone is using, and not part of an engineered plot, then letting them shrug it off sooner with a Fate Point would either be a waste of a Fate Point, or a good excuse for a revelation.