Figuring out the power level of an NPC

[Sanctaphrax]

Huh, yes, that works too. Giving him mundane armour somehow didn't occur to me.

No Pain! might be a touch too strong, but since it's an NPC it doesn't really matter.

[Tedronai]

No Pain! is definitely on the very powerful side, even if evaluated as a supernatural power and not a stunt
As a stunt, it's plainly 'overpowered'

But, yes, on an NPC, that doesn't matter as much
at the most, it throws off the math a bit when you're trying to eyeball the NPC's power

[Belial666]

Compare with Footwork (or equivalent) + True Strike (or equivalent) and a base Fists or Weapons of 6. Then the Ogre would be both attacking and defending at +7 at the same cost. Now it has a lower weapon/fists skill thus attacking at +5, with a tradeoff of defending at +8. Also keep in mind that due to Greater Glamours, the Ogre is under a power 8 veil that isn't pierced if discovered. To those without The Sight, it is already effectively defending at +8. The endurance stunts are there mostly for flavor - they don't change the mechanics much.


The effectiveness of powers and stunts can vary from case to case.

[Tedronai]

Well, yes, but then again, he could also spend a refresh on a homebrewed 'stunt' giving him +3 to guns attacks, with no other restrictions or stipulations, and as applied to his current skill list, it wouldn't significantly increase the threat he posed.  That wouldn't mean that a stunt giving +3 to guns attacks, in itself, is 'balanced'.
But that just goes back to the npc power-balancing comments.
The 'stunt' isn't a problem in this instance, because it's being applied to an npc, with a relatively small game impact in combination with the character's skill selections

[zenten]

Can an Ogre get Greater Glamours without becoming a sidhe?  I don't want him to be one, but if he can then that would work well.

[sandchigger]

I'm fairly certain the restriction on Greater Glamours is just "must be pure fae" so you can't be a Changeling and have it. Ogres, goblins, hell even pixies like Toot-Toot are all fair game for the power.

[Belial666]

Precisely. Harry himself did not find it weird that an "ogre" had greater glamours in Summer Knight - if ogres could not have that power, lord Talos could never pass as one.

[zenten]

Sweet, thanks, this will make a big difference in the fight I think.