Greater Glamour

[bitterpill]

I could come up with several reason why a PC would have greater glamours (most of these including faes being bound to a person or an object) other the true seeming (which really should have defined limits, ie No I materialise a working suit case nuke, stinger missile etc) greater glamours aren't particulary broken for 4 refresh power.

[HWalsh]

Given that it is only allowed to "pure fae of considerable power" I think this is one of those things that was never really intended to be used by PCs in the normal course of affairs. It is more of a model than a carefully balanced power.

Yeah.

That is what I gathered.

Basically I was GM'ing the system, and had to set the game and learn it in a very short amount of time, because our main group GM was desperate for a break. So I told the group, pretty much, "Okay, I'm new at this, and still learning this system so things are going to be a little rocky." and the group was cool with it, it was just supposed to be a change of pace to give our main GM a couple of weeks off anyway. When the PC in question took the power we both missed the requirement, and the implications for some of the horrendously powerful things that the True Seeming was capable of.

At the time, my assumption that it worked like other veils and what not, made me consider "sure, okay, I can work with that" afterward the scrutiny of what the power was capable of and the ensuing deluge of questions regarding it however has prompted me to reconsider the power.

For those wondering my final decision was to strip the PC of the power, then allow them to re-spend the 4 refresh points as they see fit.

I figure that is more fair for everyone involved.

I'm not new to the pitfalls of GM'ing though, having done it for 22 years now, but again system familiarity was lacking in this case.

Thanks for the feedback all.

[Tedronai]

What I'd recommend is downgrading to regular Glamours, then spending that extra 2 refresh on a specialized Channeling replicating the effects of thaumaturgical Conjuration with evocation's speed and methods (assuming the character has the Discipline and Conviction to make that worthwhile, possibly allowing them to rework their skills to suit the new build)

They'd then retain the same conceptual capabilities, but within more reasonable bounds (no working suitcase nukes from thin air).

[bitterpill]

Why didn't you just let him take regular glamours or did he not want too. I think if people wanted a stronger glamours power in one of my games I would let them get the +2 to veils and seemings without true seemings for +3 refresh instead of 4.

[HWalsh]

Why didn't you just let him take regular glamours or did he not want too. I think if people wanted a stronger glamours power in one of my games I would let them get the +2 to veils and seemings without true seemings for +3 refresh instead of 4.

He may take basic Glamour if he wishes, I will not allow a "weakened lesser greater glamour" however.

In this case I have already finalized my decision.

[KOFFEYKID]

Glamours functions way different than Veils via Evocation do.

Evocation based Veils are a Defensive Block opposed by Alertness (you must roll Alertness equal to or higher than the value of the veil to overcome it). You set the shifts of power and roll to control, but regardless of your control roll, the strength of the veil is up to you. You always have an option to suck up backlash stress to make sure it's as strong as you wanted it to. It might cost you, but you aren't ever forced to make a veil less strong than you want it because of a roll.

Glamours based Veils trigger an opposed roll whenever somebody comes into contact with it or hace a chance to defeat it. The number isn't static and you have far less control over it, so it is far less reliable.

Furthermore: Evocation Veils can benefit from focus items and specializations meaning they have a much higher range of strength than a Glamour based veil.

[tymire]

Nm the fact that there seem to be more defenses against glamors compared to veils.   For example a certain eye rub listed in the base book....