Unsolved Mysteries Version II

[Ms Duck]

i think there is a major difference between an incredibly complex and artistic- a work of genius- circle of containment and that gigantic,a tching, insanly destructive piece of magic in the hellfire pentagram.

you can disrupt circles from the oustide, with apparently little of no energy being released.

methinks hellfire go boom.

look at the sobs who landed in it..

[parthagenon]

Right. But they were talking about the Shedd Aquarium, where Luccio was stuck outside while the Denarians were fighting Harry, Kincaid, and Ivy inside.

Ah.  Thanks, I was getting several different battles confused in my mind.

Also, Hellfire is a raw force, unstable but way powerful- not a spell itself.  If the Denarians were using it to augment their pentagram spell, the way Harry uses it to boost his own fire spells, cutting through that enchantment may very well destroy only the framework spell and completely miss the Hellfire itself, releasing all that power at once- not pleasant for Harry and company.

[The Fish]

it's possible that the hellfire pentagram also wouldn't have a solid physical base to crack, as it was mentioned that satan himself erected it.

Wait, why was he working with the denarians? i thought they had a falling out?

[Ms Duck]

Too many unkowns to ponder. I personally think the big d who imprisoned them is tehob, the black goddess arch enemy of the white god. That would make bthe fallen angel satan the OP uriel. This assumption is baed entirely on me thinking jim will not be able to pass up a seven headed dragon as bad guy

[Arkham8]

Too many unkowns to ponder. I personally think the big d who imprisoned them is tehob, the black goddess arch enemy of the white god. That would make bthe fallen angel satan the OP uriel. This assumption is baed entirely on me thinking jim will not be able to pass up a seven headed dragon as bad guy

As cool as that would be, I don't think we have the pages to cover the logistics of several "Lords of Hell", if you will.


However, Hell's Bell's (book one of the final trilogy, correct?) does sound summarily apocalyptic in the sense of Literal Hell. Here's for me hoping you're right about the seven-headed beast, and hopefully the harlot that sits upon the throne...

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Elaine?!

New thought based off of that:

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Justin Dumorne is the Seven-Headed Beast! One head is Cowl, Simon, Kemmler, Justin...and three others

[Ms Duck]

it's the old 'think like Jim' idea.

you are jim, and need a big bad. do you choose:

' a hot androgenous blonde with wings and a golden sword?' ( lucifer)

' a tall dark man with cloven hooves and a pitchfork ' ( evangelist satan)

' a  vast and terrible creature of smoke, bone and flame?' ( Abbaddon)

' a godzilla sized dragon with seven heads whop arises from the sea?' ( Tehob/ Tiamat)

E- all of the above. on crack.

lets see..for werwolves he chose : E. for vampires : E. for elves: E. for necromancers : E.

I sense a patern here..

[Arkham8]

I sense a patern here..

True. However, the logistics of using many different versions of Satan runs the risk of drawing heat from the Christian sect. Lord knows I have a few Aunts who would go ballistic at the thought of someone portraying their Satan wrong.

[AlbinoRaven]

From Summer Knight.  Martha Liberty says to Ebenezar "You know what he was meant to be".  I think this needs to be added to the unanswered questions list.  What was Harry meant to be?

I was re-reading and it bothers me there's not more discussion on this... its very interesting. She could just be referring to him being Justin's protege/black magic servant, but it certainly doesn't sound like that. It kind of goes with the theory that Harry was meant to be something, maybe someone planned his birth coincidences...

Raven 

[Ms Duck]

there was a lot of discussion when it first came out:)

quite a few folks think it's a refernce to him being possible the re born kemmler, as is his little monolouge in TC when waiting for the WC on the isle.

there is a WOJ someplace that the WC has all the facts they need to figure everythign about Harry out, they just dont share with each other.

[the neurovore of Zur-En-Aargh]

I was re-reading and it bothers me there's not more discussion on this... its very interesting. She could just be referring to him being Justin's protege/black magic servant, but it certainly doesn't sound like that. It kind of goes with the theory that Harry was meant to be something, maybe someone planned his birth coincidences...

It seems very unlikely to me that Maggie and company did not plan for him to be the Outsiderbane he is.

[AlbinoRaven]

It seems very unlikely to me that Maggie and company did not plan for him to be the Outsiderbane he is.

double...negative...hurt...head...

I definently think there was some plan for the outsider bane, but I meant that it could be justified to say she was simply referring to his being under justin as a counter to that argument that Martha was referring to the outsider bane. I guess I should have stated that, and I thought I did, oops. I also did a forum search and I didn't see much in results, maybe my search was incomplete.

The question is is Martha aware of his outsider powers, or was she simply oblivious to the other things Harry was supposed to be? Or is there another added future someone had planned for Harry?

Raven 

[the neurovore of Zur-En-Aargh]

The question is is Martha aware of his outsider powers, or was she simply oblivious to the other things Harry was supposed to be? Or is there another added future someone had planned for Harry?

yeah, the thing about "meant to be" is who was doing the meaning ?

[the neurovore of Zur-En-Aargh]

double...negative...hurt...head...

"You are one of the least benightedly unintelligent people it has been my profound lack of pleasure not to be able to avoid meeting."

[The Fish]

yeah, the thing about "meant to be" is who was doing the meaning ?

I think this is the real question. by his mother? Mab? Justin? Black council? (how long have they been around, anyway?) the White Council? other unknowns? and I almost completely agree with the "all of the above. on crack" theory, with the sole addition of "plus one more"

[parthagenon]

"You are one of the least benightedly unintelligent people it has been my profound lack of pleasure not to be able to avoid meeting."

*throws a heavy object at neuro's head*  Criminal abuse of the English language.  For shame.

I personally thought it was a figure of speech- no one person orchestrated the entire thing, but a bunch of people and circumstances pushed Harry towards an expected or inescapable role.  Others, like Martha Liberty, just noticed the most likely outcome.