Unsolved Mysteries Version II

[the neurovore of Zur-En-Aargh]

Oooohhh it was definitely a burn

Plausibly a freezer burn, though.

[Shecky]

Plausibly a freezer burn, though.

Doesn't smell like burned meat.

[knnn]

New mystery:  is it "white for protection" (Grave Peril, page 200), or "blue for defense" (Proven Guilty page 155)?

p.s. right after, it lists "white for purity".

[Contrarius]

New mystery:  is it "white for protection" (Grave Peril, page 200), or "blue for defense" (Proven Guilty page 155)?

p.s. right after, it lists "white for purity".

Well......if you wanted to reconcile the two, you could say that "purity" would "protect" one when calling up an Evil Demon. The "white for protection" consisted of white candles in a summoning circle, after all.....

[knnn]

Well......if you wanted to reconcile the two, you could say that "purity" would "protect" one when calling up an Evil Demon. The "white for protection" consisted of white candles in a summoning circle, after all.....

Nice!

[Torvaun]

You have an asterisk next to "Who hit Harry's car?"  I'd like to know what the consensus is on that.

Consequences of Molly being taken to Arctis Tor: Harry went to Arctis Tor, as did Charity, Murphy, and Thomas.
Consequences of Harry going to Arctis Tor: Harry discovered Hellfire was used in an attack.  Harry discovered Slate was still alive.  Harry discovered Lea was encased in ice and being cured of madness through exquisite torment.  Harry ended Scarecrow.  Summer Fire met Winter's wellspring.  A bunch of fetches got killed.  Some snow ogres got killed.
Consequences of Harry discovering Hellfire was used to attack Arctis Tor: Nicodemus learned that Hellfire was used to assault Arctis Tor.
I have the feeling that this is way more important to Mab than Harry sucker-punching a fetch, no matter how badass it is.  Also, I disagree with the theory that Scarecrow had outsider stuff going on.  Harry's fire was stopping after a couple feet of travel, not immediately before hitting Scarecrow.  That's Winter choking it out until Summer countered it.

[sjsharks]

You have an asterisk next to "Who hit Harry's car?"  I'd like to know what the consensus is on that.

Consequences of Molly being taken to Arctis Tor: Harry went to Arctis Tor, as did Charity, Murphy, and Thomas.
Consequences of Harry going to Arctis Tor: Harry discovered Hellfire was used in an attack.  Harry discovered Slate was still alive.  Harry discovered Lea was encased in ice and being cured of madness through exquisite torment.  Harry ended Scarecrow.  Summer Fire met Winter's wellspring.  A bunch of fetches got killed.  Some snow ogres got killed.
Consequences of Harry discovering Hellfire was used to attack Arctis Tor: Nicodemus learned that Hellfire was used to assault Arctis Tor.
I have the feeling that this is way more important to Mab than Harry sucker-punching a fetch, no matter how badass it is.  Also, I disagree with the theory that Scarecrow had outsider stuff going on.  Harry's fire was stopping after a couple feet of travel, not immediately before hitting Scarecrow.  That's Winter choking it out until Summer countered it.

The fact that Summer's fire effected the Scarecrow at all means it did not have Outsider stuff, because only Mortal magic effects the Outsiders

[cass]

The fact that Summer's fire effected the Scarecrow at all means it did not have Outsider stuff, because only Mortal magic effects the Outsiders

We know that only mortal magic can summon them into the (mortal) world, anyway.  Could you tell me which book (WN?) I should look in for the passage about mortal magic?

[sjsharks]

We know that only mortal magic can summon them into the (mortal) world, anyway.  Could you tell me which book (WN?) I should look in for the passage about mortal magic?

I don't remember what book it was from, I may just be mis-remembering when it says only mortal magic can summon them. Does anyone else remember?

[Ms Duck]

several; one is Harry and Eb talking at end of PG...when they conclude the black council includes mortal wizards.

[the neurovore of Zur-En-Aargh]

Consequences of Harry discovering Hellfire was used to attack Arctis Tor: Nicodemus learned that Hellfire was used to assault Arctis Tor.

Nicodemus has this apparently shocked reaction at precisely a point where he is working really hard to distract Harry, so relying on it being a real reaction seems a bit dodgy to me.

[the neurovore of Zur-En-Aargh]

The fact that Summer's fire effected the Scarecrow at all means it did not have Outsider stuff, because only Mortal magic effects the Outsiders

I don't think so.

There is a pattern through the books of villains being enhanced with added powers, but still keeping their original nature.  If the Scarecrow is still basically a Winter fetch with an Outsider power-up, Summer fire should still be able to effect its Winter nature, in much the same way as being shot with mortal weapons can injure Lord Raith in BR or Vittorio in WN despite them having Outsider power-ups.

[JinElusion]

I don't know if this has already been asked (i missed a few replies in these 18 pages) and its more of an add-on to other related questions.   There has been at least 4 instances where Harry feels a female presence or hears a female voice that he says he should recognize. The one i just ran across happens in Death Masks when he is having nightmares:

"A woman who seemed familiar but whom i did not recognize shook her head and drew her hand from left to right. The dream-scenery faded to black in the wake of her motion. She turned to me, dark eyes intent and said, "You need rest."- Death Masks, pg. 150

The most ready answer i can think of is his mom. Did she somehow create a shadow inside of him the same way denarians do? Nicodemus did say that he used to know and respect her. A possibility maybe. Food for thought.

[sjsharks]

I don't know if this has already been asked (i missed a few replies in these 18 pages) and its more of an add-on to other related questions.   There has been at least 4 instances where Harry feels a female presence or hears a female voice that he says he should recognize. The one i just ran across happens in Death Masks when he is having nightmares:

"A woman who seemed familiar but whom i did not recognize shook her head and drew her hand from left to right. The dream-scenery faded to black in the wake of her motion. She turned to me, dark eyes intent and said, "You need rest."- Death Masks, pg. 150

The most ready answer i can think of is his mom. Did she somehow create a shadow inside of him the same way denarians do? Nicodemus did say that he used to know and respect her. A possibility maybe. Food for thought.

We had a big thread on this idea not to long ago, I don't remember what our end ideas where though

[JinElusion]

Sad i missed that thread then, cause it has been bothering me for awhile. Anybody remember the outcome?