Unsolved Mysteries Version II

[parthagenon]

I think it was implied that his magic resistance was the reason Maggie Sr. couldn't run away or kill him using normal methods, and therefore resorted to using her death curse on him, thus crippling the Whampires.

[Ms Duck]

I thought it was semi confirmed that LR made a deal with HHWB, and sinc eoutsider magic is imune to normal human magic..

[sjsharks]

Im fairly certain that HWWB made some deal with Lord Raith because of the fact that LR had a summoning ritual for HWWB and was using it in BR, and it was implied that the same curse was used on Maggie Sr. Also didn't Vitto have similar anti magic protection from the Outsiders (his cuffs I believe) that Ramirez had to use his Warden's sword to cut through?

[parthagenon]

Hmm, I don't remember much about Vitto's cuffs.  Can Warden swords cut through Outsider magic resistance?

I'll add an asterisk to the original question, though.

[Ms Duck]

it wasnt vitto, it was madrigal, and when cut they went boom nicely, so I assume no, they are not outsider work.

some folks have sugested that lara has the protection now ( it being in the red egm she took from her father, and now wears) but if so, why not use it when Eb was threatening her in TC?

[pitchdarkman]

Why does Harry ask...uh think at Lash about any relation about the outsiders and the black court in WN? any guesses or ws it just Black council and I got a dud copy.

I actually read it frm a e-book but the quote is..."After which, we were going to have a long talk about my mother and these Outsiders and their relation to the Black Court and exactly what the hell was going on."

see if u can find it and make anything of it

[the neurovore of Zur-En-Aargh]

Lord Raith had that protection long before he meet Harry's mother. we do not know yet how he got it.

Do you have a citation for that ?  I was under the impression that was not established, and i am rather fond of the notion that maggie helped him get it.

[the neurovore of Zur-En-Aargh]

I think it was implied that his magic resistance was the reason Maggie Sr. couldn't run away or kill him using normal methods, and therefore resorted to using her death curse on him, thus crippling the Whampires.

I can equally well read that as her being smart enough to lay down her death curse in ways that hamper the White Court as a whole, rather than just killing Lord R and having someone else take over unhindered.

[the neurovore of Zur-En-Aargh]

I actually read it frm a e-book but the quote is..."After which, we were going to have a long talk about my mother and these Outsiders and their relation to the Black Court and exactly what the hell was going on."

That was the plan, then he got busy with the climax of the book, and by the time he got around to asking the question again lash was gone or pretending to be gone, so nothing came of it.

[LogicMouseLives]

I actually read it frm a e-book but the quote is..."After which, we were going to have a long talk about my mother and these Outsiders and their relation to the Black Court and exactly what the hell was going on."

see if u can find it and make anything of it

White Night HC page 364 (US version). Your quotation is word for word, pitchdarkman.

I've always been 99% certain that that was a typo (because there aren't any of those in modern publishing anymore, of course!) and what was intended was "...these Outsiders and their relation to the Black Council..." which makes worlds more sense. Setting aside this quote, there's hardly a single mention of Black Court Vamps in that whole book, but Cowl and the theorized Black Council/Circle are a major thread.

LML

[parthagenon]

I agree with LML on that one, but has anybody asked JB about it?  Also, how much evidence is there that Maggie Sr. was linked to either the Black Council or the Outsiders?  I'm not sure how to phrase another question about that.

[the neurovore of Zur-En-Aargh]

I agree with LML on that one, but has anybody asked JB about it?  Also, how much evidence is there that Maggie Sr. was linked to either the Black Council or the Outsiders?  I'm not sure how to phrase another question about that.

We have solid evidence linking Maggie to Lord Raith, Eb's word in BR linking her to Justin, and Nicodemus claiming to have known her.  There is, of course, no Black Council, but that's a pretty dark-grey-looking cabal.  Justin and Lord R both have direct Outsider links.  I think that's it for solid textev.

[parthagenon]

We have solid evidence linking Maggie to Lord Raith, Eb's word in BR linking her to Justin, and Nicodemus claiming to have known her.  There is, of course, no Black Council, but that's a pretty dark-grey-looking cabal.  Justin and Lord R both have direct Outsider links.  I think that's it for solid textev.

In deference to your nonbelief in the Black Council, I think all references to them can be pretty much replaced with "vague, probably antagonistic group of characters that may or may not be connected to one another". 

Which question should I add, "How was Maggie Sr. connected with Outsiders", or "Was Maggie Sr. connected with Outsiders"?  There's also the implications of Harry's planned birth to consider, which makes it a fairly strong connection in my mind.

[sjsharks]

Is there any significance to Thomas being born on Valentine's day? (hey its his birthday tomorrow )

[wardenferry419]

I'm guess the significance is on a par with Harry being born on Halloween.