Then you're running in evileyoreverse.
Yes, I am. Not germaine to the conversation though.
So what do you think would be required if it were possible?
Theres also a difference between improbable and unheard of. Sure genociding an entire race of supernaturals is improbable as in RCV
Your "improbable" spoiler was "unheard of" till it happened as well.
So what do you think would be required if it were possible?
Some of us are just saying, "Hey this doesn't make sense within this verse"
Which is isn't a helpful answer. Okay, it is, once. Then you either leave the discussion or start helping.
So what do you think would be required if it were possible?
Has there ever been a character in it that has turned their entire being on a dime? Well actually yes there has and they can, Renfields, RC infected, WCVirgin and changelings can and it is part of their process.
Good.
So if it is possible (as part of a process) to change another's Template (Renfield, RCI, and BCV are all acted upon by outside forces), then it stands to reason others can have Templates added or removed as part of process.
Now we just need to figured out the process.
1. Mortals are flimsy and can be changed by more powerful creatures, adding to their template.
This can happen to non-Mortals as well, presumeably.
I don't think Changeling are immune to BCVing or RCVInfecting, for instance.
2. Supernatural templates are changed by their own will alone. And may have the chance to remove their own template, No outside influence can force them to drop a template.
This is unproven and possibly false. I know there was talk of being able to uninfect an RCVI but that cost was too high?
Also taking away a Hexenwolf's hexitem will strip them of the Template.
3. Severely overwhelming force MAY be able to force a supernatural template to add to its own existing template, and not drop the old in the process. Denarian coin on the library as an example
So your saying a Changeling couldn't be Hexenwolfed or RCVIed?
The Alphas couldn't be Hexenwolfed or RCVIed?
If my players asked for this I'd respond by asking them "Well whats stopping me from Unwizarding you?" or un(template)ing you? I cast lvl 100 plot magic unstunt/detemplate.
Presumably your desire to keep them at the table. Also the rule of consensus.
.... Actually it wouldn't be a bad tradeoff to force a player to give up their own powers in order to turn back an npc.... seems an appropriate sacrifice....
Finally!
Was that so hard?
The bulk of the canon from the books is from unreliable Harry.
Sigh. Yes. I know.
Look, leave the Unreliable Narrator aside... we have "Canon", "Not Canon", and "Possibly Canon". I'm willing to accept what Harry observes as "Canon", what Bob or higher authority Wizard says as "Canon", anything Harry (or anyone) is shown as doing as "Canon", and finally anything Harry says without any back up as "Possibly Canon". Hell, for sake of most discussions on this board I'm willing to accept Hary's words as Canon. What is or isn't Canon has no bearing on any conversation once you;ve decided to continue past the point of "This can't work in Canon".
But let's move away from Canon. Too many canons, not enough powder...
No, they didn't say that BCVs were unsavable, but when talking about Renfields, Bob said:
"The original Merlin couldn't undo it, and neither could any of the saints on record who have tried. A thrall can be freed, or recover over time. Renfields can't. From the moment their minds break they've got an expiration date."
Ahah! I'll take this as Fact for now, but what book was that in?
So what do you think would be required to unRenfeild a Renfeild if it were possible?
My take is breaking the "Renfield Enchantment" maybe prolonged seclusion for the Master.
Which leaves with a broken minded mortal who is probably a vegetable.
I can easily understand the Merlin declaring them unsalvageable. I would.
If it's not impossible because of canon it's a simple shape change. As easy as turning turning someone to stone and back again.
Richard
That's extraordinarily unhelpful.
I understand you don't like the idea for some reason, but this isn't the "Slap down all ideas and anyone questioning the WoJ!" forum.