Harry's Stats plus Assorted Other Stat Revisions (Small Favor through Cold Days)

[Hick Jr]

I believe it was mentioned that the Turtlenecks are no longer human.

I could be wrong, I haven't read Ghost Story in a while.

[Deadmanwalking]

I believe it was mentioned that the Turtlenecks are no longer human.

I could be wrong, I haven't read Ghost Story in a while.

Not in Ghost Story. Or Even Hand. Or Aftermath. I've read all those recently and all refer to them rather explicitly as human. Modified, sure, but still human.

[Deadmanwalking]

Name: Waldo Butters
Aspects:
High Concept: Clued-In Medical Examiner
Trouble: Physician to the Supernatural
Other:
Current Owner of Bob The Skull;
Musician’s Soul;
The Dead Can Speak;
By The Book? What Book?;
Member Of The Alliance;

Skills:

Superb: Scholarship,
Great: Alertness, Rapport, Lore,
Good: Athletics, Discipline, Performance,
Fair: Conviction, Deceit, Empathy, 
Average: Endurance, Presence, Weapons,

Stunts:
Fleet of Foot (Athletics)
Occultist (Magic; How Magic And Science Interact) (Lore)
Medical Examiner (Scholarship)
Doctor (Forensic Medicine) (Scholarship)

Total: -2 Refresh (Pure Mortal)

Stress:

Mental: OOO
Physical: OOO
Social: OOO
Armor: 0, or 1 with Kevlar.

Here's Butters post Ghost Story and Cold Days (though really, he doesn't change much between those two specifically). He's...definitely evolved. Into a full Submerged level character, which works for me. By Cold Days he's even got a girlfriend. Go Butters.

Not a lot else to say beyond the fact that having Bob has done wonders for his Lore skill. Everything else has just...gotten slightly better.

[narphoenix]

One, I group them in the same group as Blampires and Rampires-no longer human, though they used to be.

Two, Harry would have to violate the 1st Law THREE times before it becomes -2.

[Mr. Death]

Not in Ghost Story. Or Even Hand. Or Aftermath. I've read all those recently and all refer to them rather explicitly as human. Modified, sure, but still human.

I think it's more telling what isn't said--Harry, for instance, doesn't so much as bat an eye when he helps Molly incinerate one. You'd think if there was the suspicion that they still counted as human, Harry would've said something.

[Deadmanwalking]

One, I group them in the same group as Blampires and Rampires-no longer human, though they used to be.

Their ability to freely enter homes uninvited seems to belie this. As do repeated references to them as human. Though I admit data's a bit skimpy.

Two, Harry would have to violate the 1st Law THREE times before it becomes -2.

Valid point...but I'm still gonna say that he's got it by post-Cold Days

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see the Hound Kill in the Wild Hunt scene.

I think it's more telling what isn't said--Harry, for instance, doesn't so much as bat an eye when he helps Molly incinerate one. You'd think if there was the suspicion that they still counted as human, Harry would've said something.

Actually...he assumed they were the actual Fomor. He's not informed they were human minions till his post-fight talk with Molly. He's singularly un-upset by the notion when it comes up, though.
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It's arguable...but we're getting way too many edge cases, he doesn't seem overly worried about doing such things any more, and he's got the free Refresh, so it seems the right time to go with that -2. Hell, since ritual sacrifice counts it's debatable the thing with Lloyd Slate in Changes qualified. Or the thing with Susan (though her inhumanity probably counts that one out).

[narphoenix]

The problem with increasing Lawbreaker is that Harry has also been working towards another Refinement. His time spent as a ghost and his physical therapy did WONDERS for his spell control, which indicates another Refinement in the works. Plus, when Harry Forzared the hound, it was a Hound of the Hunt. Not a human.

[Sanctaphrax]

And that's pretty much why I don't like the mandatory purchase of the Lawbreaker Power.

[Mr. Death]

It's arguable...but we're getting way too many edge cases, he doesn't seem overly worried about doing such things any more, and he's got the free Refresh, so it seems the right time to go with that -2. Hell, since ritual sacrifice counts it's debatable the thing with Lloyd Slate in Changes qualified. Or the thing with Susan (though her inhumanity probably counts that one out).

Eh, I don't see Slate counting--it wasn't really part of a spell, leastwise not one that Harry was casting.

[Theonlyspiral]

Susan was full Rampire when the ritual went down. She wouldn't count any more than any other Vampire. In terms of the hound...in play I would have a hard time giving him Lawbreaker for it.

[vultur]

Eh, I don't see Slate counting--it wasn't really part of a spell, leastwise not one that Harry was casting.

I agree.
Susan was a Rampire at the time, yes.

I personally think Harry was "redeemed" from his Lawbreaker at the end of PG, when he stands up for Molly. (Or possibly when he loses Lash, but...)

He might regain it in CD, but

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I think that one's more like the loup-garou, it wasn't a human right then. Harry feels guilty about it, but that doesn't prove it broke a Law.

If we see it having effects on him in future books, though, I'd change my mind.

[Deadmanwalking]

All a matter of interpretation.

Though on the Refinement thing: I suspect he might get a Refinement from trading in Item Slots...we'll see how that works out based on how many items he makes for next book.

Looking at it, I might give him such a trade-in (well, 1 specialty of it, anyway) even in Cold Days.

[Hick Jr]

The turtleneck's death was arguably a suicide, but I'll concede that he died and magic was involved.

[Deadmanwalking]

Name: Aristedes

Aspects:
High Concept: Unorthodox Kinetomancer
Trouble: Big Ego
Other:
Total Asshole;
My Little Warehouse-Dwelling Cult;
Knife Nut;
Not Too Bright;

Skills:

Superb: Weapons,
Great: Athletics, Intimidation,
Good: Conviction, Discipline, Endurance,
Fair: Alertness, Deceit, Fists, Lore,
Average: Burglary, Contacts, Presence, Resources, Stealth,

Stunts:

Rule By Fear (Intimidation) (-1)

Powers:

Channeling (Spirit) [-2]
Inhuman Speed [-2]
Ritual (Psychomancy) [-2]
Lawbreaker (Fourth) [-2]

Total: -9 Refresh

Focus Items:
Ring 1 [+2 Offensive Spirit Power]
Ring 2 [+2 Offensive Spirit Control]

Stress:

Mental: OOOO
Physical: OOOO
Social: OOO
Armor: By spell or item effect.

And here's Aristedes. He's a potent threat for a street-level game, which translates to about equal to a Submerged PC, IMO. He dodges at Superb, and throws Superb offensive Evocations in the form of physical attacks (or mundane knife-blows when he's not too worried or out of juice). Pretty scary if you're, y'know, people at that level or below.

It's possible he also has Lawbreaker (First) or full Thaumaturgy...but we see no evidence of it, so I'm not tossing it on at the moment.

Aspects partially cribbed from Sanctaphrax's version.

[Deadmanwalking]

Name: Daniel Carpenter

Aspects:
High Concept: Son Of A Knight Of The Cross
Trouble: Chip On His Shoulder
Other:
Nobody Hurts the Carpenters;
Faced Down Fetches and Survived;
Actual Tough Guy;
More Bravery Than Sense;

Skills:

Great: Fists,
Good: Conviction, Endurance, Might,
Fair: Alertness, Athletics, Discipline, Lore,
Average: Empathy, Intimidation, Presence, Scholarship,

Stunts:
Footwork (Fists) (-1)
Martial Artist (Fists) (-1)
Armed Arts: Knife, Sword (Fists) (-1)

Total: -1 Refresh

Stress:

Mental: OOOO
Physical: OOOO
Social: OOO
Armor: 2, from his mom's chain and kevlar combo.

Daniel's pretty tough these days...though not quite up to Aristedes weight-class. Some Aspects cribbed from Sanctaphrax's version.

It's very possible he has other stunts...but we've seen no real evidence of it, so I'm leaving him as-is.