Harry's Stats plus Assorted Other Stat Revisions (Small Favor through Cold Days)

[Archmage_Cowl]

just a quick queston deadman. How would you stat up sponsored magic outsider? i have some house rules for it but i'm not really sure they work that well. I was sorta doing it as an evil version of soulfire, but i'm not too sure that would work. I have it statted up as this. Could you tell me what you think?

Sponsored Magic: Outsider [-5]
You can draw forth power from the darkest beings, those that lie beyond the outer gates. Massively powerful but nigh impossible not to be corrupted by it.
Cost: is 5 because it's alot more versitle and slightly stronger over all like soulfire.
Benefits: Standard Sponsored benefits, with a likely very violent and dark agenda. Gives a +2 power or complexity (Stronger but not easily controled) to any attempt to break one of the laws of magic. Can use any thaumaturgy that would break one of the laws of magic at the speed of evocation.

Thats my idea for it so far. I could see the +2 to power or complexity becoming a +1 but i dont think it would cost -5 anymore and i think this should be really evilish. I think the bonus to breaking the laws fits because dresden always talks about how it corrupts quickly and i think that's the best way to show a quick and powerful corruption.

[Deadmanwalking]

We really don't know enough about it to speculate what it's actually like. The book reccomends just using Hellfire with the serial numbers filed off, and that's what I'm doing.

That said, your version works fine mechanically, and the only change I would make is dropping the bonus to +1 and, in exchange, giving it the same ability as Soulfire to reduce Toughness abilities by one level. That seems very 'corrosive to the fabric of existence' and thus very appropriate.

[Archmage_Cowl]

okay. many thanks deadman . Also another question if i may. I prefer to think of soulfire as, well patronless basically. I prefer to think of it as you're given the power and then you use your own abilities to power it. If i did something like that how would you stat it? just using enough of it to take consequences, like in small favor when he busted up namshiel, he would have poured alot more power into that spell and thus he would have taken a consequence relating to the inability to use his hand? Would it be something like that?

[Deadmanwalking]

Well, yeah. Specifically, he took a Moderate or Severe Physical Consequence to help power a spell.

But I'd still consider it Sponsored Magic. You've got to bear in mind that Sponsored Magic doesn't need to come from an individual, or even a sentient being. Look at Ley Line based Sponsored Magic. That's what I see Soulfire as. It empowers you, and once you are so empowered, nobody can take it away...but the magic still has an agenda of it's own that it will incline you to pursue.

[Archmage_Cowl]

hmm... yes i suppose i can see that. so soulfire has a holy agenda? ... hmm i was thinking it had a more "be true to who you are" agenda for each person that uses it. Well regardless I roll my rapport as a manuever to place the aspect on deadman "Thanks For The Help!" 

[Deadmanwalking]

I'd say exactly what Soulfire's agenda is should be a matter for individual GMs to determine for themselves. I'm not sure we have enough information from the books to say anything definitive yet.

And you're very welcome, I'm always happy to help. 

[Deadmanwalking]

And I've just gone through every Senior Council Member, as well as Luccio, and given them an extra level of Refinement wrapped up in a Defensive Item. Those are just too useful for them not to have. This has raised all of their Refresh costs by 1.

[Tbora]

Could you do Kemmler?

[Deadmanwalking]

Kemmler took on the entire Council. Not the Wardens, the hole Council, and fought them to a standstill. He's stat-less on a profound level.

[Tush Hog]

I've wondered about Cowl and how he would stack up against The Merlin. What are your thoughts there given the info we have on both?

[Deadmanwalking]

The Merlin would destroy him utterly. He's the most powerful and experienced Wizard on Earth. Cowl is good, and powerful, but he's not that good. 

In game terms he could maybe pull it off, but only by going into HEAVY Sponsor Debt.

[Tbora]

How would a fight between Kemmler and the Merlin (alone) go if both had a day to prepare for the fight.

[Deadmanwalking]

More or less the same way, really. Though the Merlin's advantage increases somewhat. They're both Wizards and thus much more dangerous with prep time, but the Merlin is more so, sorta by definition.

[Tbora]

So the Merlin would crush Kemmler?

[Deadmanwalking]

Oh, sorry, my bad. I was still thinking of Cowl and misread. Kemmler would completely destroy the Merlin. He's gone up against the Council as a whole, never mind just it's most powerful member.