Typo thread

[Deadmanwalking]

Okay, Overall cost of the powers in the toughness category, so this is acceptable then:

Inhuman Recovery -2
Inhuman Toughness -2
The Catch +5
Physical Invulnerability -8
The Catch (Stacked) +6
Total = -1

Also still not resolved is how Human Form applies when used with only one of the two toughness powers and therefore the exact value of that power is not known.

Um, read his above post on the re-wording of Stacked Catch. Where iago fixed the problem. Which you clearly missed.

That wouldn't work because the first Catch doesn't apply to Physical Immunity. The total cost would be -3.

[arentol]

Related to this is also the fact that if you have more than one power from Toughness the exact refresh cost of each power is not clearly defined because the Catch is applied across all of them.

Example of an issue this causes:

Supernatural Toughness (-4)
Inhuman Recovery (-2)
The Catch: +3

Human Form +?
Applies to Inhuman Recovery
How much is "Inhuman Recovery" worth at this point? Is it -2 making Human Form worth +1, or is it -1, making Human Form worth 0?

Could still use clarification on this.

[Deadmanwalking]

Could still use clarification on this.

I'd assume you choose which power or powers you apply the Catch discount to (making Human Form worth +1), but I could be wrong.

[Falar]

The Toughness powers are bought as a whole suite. You'd have the whole suite of powers, both Supernatural Toughness and Inhuman Recovery at a -3. Once you've purchased them as a pair, they cease to really exist as one particular power.

[Tush Hog]

OW179 Second paragraph under Maeve .......casting glamours on those to come to her.....

First to should be who?

[iago]

Okay, Overall cost of the powers in the toughness category, so this is acceptable then:

Inhuman Recovery -2
Inhuman Toughness -2
The Catch +5
Physical Invulnerability -8
The Catch (Stacked) +6
Total = -1

Also still not resolved is how Human Form applies when used with only one of the two toughness powers and therefore the exact value of that power is not known.

WTF, dude? Are you not paying any attention?

-2 -2 = -4

+5 is an illegal Catch value. +3 is the max you can have with that. Period. Full stop.

[iago]

OW179 Second paragraph under Maeve .......casting glamours on those to come to her.....

First to should be who?

It should; it's been caught and corrected already, but thanks for the extra eyes.

[arentol]

WTF, dude? Are you not paying any attention?

-2 -2 = -4

+5 is an illegal Catch value. +3 is the max you can have with that. Period. Full stop.

If you look up a few posts you will see that deadmanwalking pointed out already that your errata posted earlier in this thread resolved this. No need to jump all over me for simply missing one post of yours.

Believe me, without the errata my example made perfect sense with what you were saying. I just missed that change you posted is all.

[Korwin]

Perhaps it would  be clearer with this wording:

The Toughness powers are bought as a whole suite, the Catch applies to them as a whole, with the exception of Physical Immunity (there you need or can use the stacked Catch).

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Hmm, you need an stacked Catch on the Physical Immunity. Since you need an Catch, right?

[Deadmanwalking]

Hmm, you need an stacked Catch on the Physical Immunity. Since you need an Catch, right?

Actually, reread the first sentence of the revision. Your normal Catch covers Physical Immunity as well unless you take a Stacked Catch.

[drnuncheon]

Actually, reread the first sentence of the revision. Your normal Catch covers Physical Immunity as well unless you take a Stacked Catch.

…which makes your other Toughness powers basically worthless, doesn't it?  If you have PI with the same catch, then they won't ever (or will almost never) come into play.  Anything that doesn't fill the Catch will be blocked by the PI and anything that does will bypass everything.

[iago]

Believe me, without the errata my example made perfect sense with what you were saying.

This is where we disagree. Sorry about the jumpin', though -- I feel like this territory has been well-trod and well-explained, and the frustration with continued questions on the topic has really been peaking for me lately.

[iago]

…which makes your other Toughness powers basically worthless, doesn't it?  If you have PI with the same catch, then they won't ever (or will almost never) come into play.  Anything that doesn't fill the Catch will be blocked by the PI and anything that does will bypass everything.

You're probably true 99% of the time. But people are really digging hard and deep to find ways to abuse the system (an exercise I abhor in gaming), so the language has been adjusted to make it clear what to do in all cases, even if some of those cases are silly.

My take is you should either have:

- A suite of Toughness Powers that aren't physical immunity with a Catch
- Physical Immunity with a Catch (and no Toughness Powers beyond that)
- A suite of Toughness Powers with a Catch, and a separate Physical Immunity with a Stacked Catch

But, given that, I expect hordes of angry flaming poo-flinging rules lawyers to descend upon the possibility of a Physical Immunity plus a suite of Toughness Powers all covered by the same Catch conditions ... so the language is there.

[blackheart]

Our World, The Short Story "AAAA Wizardy, page 10, first col, "Yardly looked like he wanted to sidle..."
Should be "slide"?

[iago]

Sidle is a real word.