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Re: Avoiding Mary Suehood?
« Reply #15 on: April 26, 2010, 02:39:20 AM »
Looking it up, self inserts look to generally be as minor characters, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-insertion.  A lot of people tend to consider self inserts to be pretty much the same as being a Mary Sue, but it's really not.
Can main characters be self-inserts?
Also, are author surrogates necessarily the same as Mary Sues? You see, in my story, I have a number of people in my cast of characters, and I'm simply trying to avoid any possible Mary Sues. I can't really use the test, though, 'cause I haven't finished the story yet, and I think some of the questions on the quizzes are related to the plot, of which I haven't really settled on yet.

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Re: Avoiding Mary Suehood?
« Reply #16 on: April 27, 2010, 02:48:05 AM »
Can main characters be self-inserts?

Definitely.  There's a fairly strong argument to be made for LKH's main characters being self-inserts, frex.

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Also, are author surrogates necessarily the same as Mary Sues?

Not at all.  You can always write yourself in as a helpful secondary character who dies horribly, for example.
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Re: Avoiding Mary Suehood?
« Reply #17 on: April 27, 2010, 02:37:17 PM »
sure fire way to avoiding mary suehood: kill him. no one is perfect if they're a corpse.
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Re: Avoiding Mary Suehood?
« Reply #18 on: April 27, 2010, 03:44:31 PM »
sure fire way to avoiding mary suehood: kill him. no one is perfect if they're a corpse.
Supposedly, the original Mary Sue character did die.  So, no, that one doesn't quite work.
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Re: Avoiding Mary Suehood?
« Reply #19 on: April 29, 2010, 11:35:57 PM »
You can always read some Dirk Pitt novels and read how the author self inserts himself. Half the time its harmless and amusing, the other half he saves the main characters from certian doom. Deus ex Cussler
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Re: Avoiding Mary Suehood?
« Reply #20 on: April 30, 2010, 05:45:07 AM »
sure fire way to avoiding mary suehood: kill him. no one is perfect if they're a corpse.

I might be mistaken, but I think another trait commonly associated with Mary Sue is when said character dies and all those people that held unfair beefs against him/her tearfully recant and realize how wrong they were, and how right Mary Sue was all along.
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Re: Avoiding Mary Suehood?
« Reply #21 on: April 30, 2010, 01:31:39 PM »
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Re: Avoiding Mary Suehood?
« Reply #22 on: April 30, 2010, 01:32:39 PM »
I might be mistaken, but I think another trait commonly associated with Mary Sue is when said character dies and all those people that held unfair beefs against him/her tearfully recant and realize how wrong they were, and how right Mary Sue was all along.

Yeah, that falls squarely in the "wish fulfillment Mary Sue" bin.