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Offline Yeratel

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eBay and the Book Pirates
« on: February 06, 2010, 04:56:13 PM »
Sounds like the title if a YA thriller, with eBay fighting evil pirates ripping off the legitimate sales of authors (like Jim Butcher and Richelle Mead). Not the case, though.  eBay pays no attention to copyright infringement unless somebody goes to the trouble of verifying it and reporting it to them, and THEN they won't end a listing unless and until they can actually get in touch with the rights holder and verify that what's being sold is an unauthorized copy. Meanwhile, sales go on as usual, and eBay, their PayPal subsidiary, and the pirates all rake in the profits on the sales. When a publisher's lawyers get in touch with eBay, they will end the listing and revoke the seller's ID, so the seller picks another ID and goes back into business as usual, and the cycle starts all over again.

It used to be a lot of work to be a Book Pirate, they'd actually have to buy a copy, or at least check it out from the library, and physically scan the pages.  Now, with the rise of ebooks and audio books, lots and lots of people have figured it's an easy, no-risk way to steal, using eBay to fence the goods. Somebody gets one copy of a legitimate ebook, uses software to convert it to a PDF file, and can then crank out an infinite number of copies. From what I can see from looking around eBay, some of the sellers may have bought some other pirate's CD originally, and now they're cranking out pirated copies of some other pirate's pirated booty. I saw a couple of amusing instances of Negative Feedback, where one pirate complained another seller was pirating him, and then leaving negative feedback about the first pirate to drive buyers to the new pirate's CD. There is no honor among thieves.  ;D
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Re: eBay and the Book Pirates
« Reply #1 on: February 06, 2010, 05:28:33 PM »
What is even more.. confusing the issue is that it is.. trivial to find downloads of the exact same items being sold on Ebay for free on torrent sites.

It has become easier to copy and pirate.  electronic media creates a new set of problems. 
The Publishers create their own set of problems by trying to maintain a stranglehold on the media.
The Amazon vs McMillan thing really does not affect writers.  I doubt that Jim seems a significant difference in royalties from the Hardcover or Ebook versions of his books. 

Contacting the Authors (or their agents) when you notice an Ebay auction is definitely the right thing to do.  Unfortunately this is the kind of fodder that publishers use to try and force draconian rules upon e-books that will in the end, only hurt the authors, and legitamate consumers without really hurting the pirates. 

The insentive to obtain pirated books needs to be removed.  The real problem is not so much the pirates, but the people who actually BUY these pirated items from them.

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Re: eBay and the Book Pirates
« Reply #2 on: February 06, 2010, 06:20:07 PM »
I doubt if eBay is going to change anything, unless some publisher or group of publishers gets a big class action lawsuit judgement against them, like Tiffany and other luxury goods makers did over counterfeit jewelry, watches, perfume, and leather goods. Hitting the fence in the wallet is the only thing that works.
It's hard to figure how pirate ebooks affect an author or publisher's bottom line.  Most of the books I've seen pirated have been genre fiction by midlist authors. A-list authors with national bestsellers have publishers that keep law firms on retainer to stamp out this kind of thing.
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