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Offline Danien

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power system
« on: January 05, 2010, 06:47:24 AM »
There been some speculations about how powerful some ofthe beings are in the dresdenverse.

So I think somebody should create a system, chart or something with characters and beings from the book ranked so we'll have a point of reference and comparison in our minds.
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Re: power system
« Reply #1 on: January 05, 2010, 06:51:02 AM »
Like this? In descending order of power:

The Almighty (AKA the Creator, Michael’s Boss).
The Faerie Mothers, The Archangels
The Fallen, Old Gods, Old Ones
The Faerie Queens, the Erlking, dragons, The Archive
Outsiders, regular Angels, the Faerie Ladies
Ancient demons, Sidhe Knights, Denarians, Knights of the Cross

It's from the RPG that's in development. :)
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Re: power system
« Reply #2 on: January 05, 2010, 05:32:54 PM »
Quote from: iago on January 05, 2010, 06:51:02 AM
Like this? In descending order of power:

The Almighty (AKA the Creator, Michael’s Boss).
The Faerie Mothers, The Archangels
The Fallen, Old Gods, Old Ones
The Faerie Queens, the Erlking, dragons, The Archive
Outsiders, regular Angels, the Faerie Ladies
Ancient demons, Sidhe Knights, Denarians, Knights of the Cross

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Re: power system
« Reply #3 on: January 05, 2010, 06:34:33 PM »
Quote from: iago on January 05, 2010, 06:51:02 AM
Like this? In descending order of power:

The Almighty (AKA the Creator, Michael’s Boss).
The Faerie Mothers, The Archangels
The Fallen, Old Gods, Old Ones
The Faerie Queens, the Erlking, dragons, The Archive
Outsiders, regular Angels, the Faerie Ladies
Ancient demons, Sidhe Knights, Denarians, Knights of the Cross

It's from the RPG that's in development. :)

Well, if that becomes canonical, it would disambiguate a number of interesting ambiguities.
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Re: power system
« Reply #4 on: January 05, 2010, 06:36:28 PM »
Oh, it's just a rough attempt by a mortal to classify the unknowable... ;)
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Re: power system
« Reply #5 on: January 05, 2010, 06:40:11 PM »
Quote from: iago on January 05, 2010, 06:36:28 PM
Oh, it's just a rough attempt by a mortal to classify the unknowable... ;)

That's kind of a relief; while I appreciate that it would not be helpful to an RPG< some of those ambiguitioes are among the things I like most in the text.

(Remembering the story of John M. Ford expanding the novella "Fugue State":
"Are you going to resolve some of the ambiguities, then ?"
"No, but I can see where to put some new ones in.")
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Re: power system
« Reply #6 on: January 05, 2010, 06:46:41 PM »
Quote from: neurovore on January 05, 2010, 06:34:33 PM
Well, if that becomes canonical, it would disambiguate a number of interesting ambiguities.

Cannonically speaking, I'd guess a cannon with solid iron cannon balls would take out any of the Fey or other denizens of the Nevernever up to about the level of a Faerie Queen.   :) Mab jumped back to avoid touching a common steel nail in Harry's office once.
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Re: power system
« Reply #7 on: January 06, 2010, 02:38:37 AM »
Quote from: iago on January 05, 2010, 06:36:28 PM
Oh, it's just a rough attempt by a mortal to classify the unknowable... ;)

Or, in the case of the game, a particularly precocious werewolf...
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Re: power system
« Reply #8 on: January 06, 2010, 02:40:10 AM »
Quote from: LCDarkwood on January 06, 2010, 02:38:37 AM
Or, in the case of the game, a particularly precocious werewolf...
He counts as mortal!
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Re: power system
« Reply #9 on: January 07, 2010, 02:26:38 PM »
Quote from: iago on January 05, 2010, 06:51:02 AM
Like this? In descending order of power:

The Almighty (AKA the Creator, Michael’s Boss).
The Faerie Mothers, The Archangels
The Fallen, Old Gods, Old Ones
The Faerie Queens, the Erlking, dragons, The Archive
Outsiders, regular Angels, the Faerie Ladies
Ancient demons, Sidhe Knights, Denarians, Knights of the Cross

It's from the RPG that's in development. :)
I like this! I'm glad that this is being included in the rpg to give a general frame of reference.
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Re: power system
« Reply #10 on: January 07, 2010, 05:31:42 PM »
Quote from: iago on January 05, 2010, 06:51:02 AM
Like this? In descending order of power:

The Almighty (AKA the Creator, Michael’s Boss).
The Faerie Mothers, The Archangels
The Fallen, Old Gods, Old Ones
The Faerie Queens, the Erlking, dragons, The Archive
Outsiders, regular Angels, the Faerie Ladies
Ancient demons, Sidhe Knights, Denarians, Knights of the Cross

It's from the RPG that's in development. :)

I have a dispute.  I do not agree that Old Gods, and Old Ones aer less powerful than Faerie Mothers and The Archangels.  We have no real proof that is true, and some inkling that it maybe patently false.

Additionally Mab does not seem to fear the White God.  She admits he's powerful but indicates that she feels pretty darn powerful herself.  You have Faerie Queens listed as 2 orders of magnitude weaker than the White God, and that seems at odds with what we actually know from the books. 

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Re: power system
« Reply #11 on: January 07, 2010, 05:48:03 PM »
You think Mab is as powerful as God? Interesting.

No worries, though: the list presented in the book is presented as a possible ranking, not an absolute. It's compiled by a werewolf after all, not the Archive.
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Re: power system
« Reply #12 on: January 07, 2010, 07:10:41 PM »
Quote from: iago on January 07, 2010, 05:48:03 PM
You think Mab is as powerful as God? Interesting.

No worries, though: the list presented in the book is presented as a possible ranking, not an absolute. It's compiled by a werewolf after all, not the Archive.

No I don't think Mab is as powerful as the White God.
But I don't think she's 2 orders of magnitude weaker than him.  Also, we're completely unclear on how much power Mab has personally, and how much is vested due to her control over Winter.

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Re: power system
« Reply #13 on: January 07, 2010, 07:19:34 PM »
Quote from: svb1972 on January 07, 2010, 07:10:41 PM
No I don't think Mab is as powerful as the White God.
But I don't think she's 2 orders of magnitude weaker than him.  Also, we're completely unclear on how much power Mab has personally, and how much is vested due to her control over Winter.

Yeah, I hear you. But going strictly off the first ten books, it's hard to come up with any sort of list with any authority. I imagine by the end of the series -- another 12 books or so -- we'll have some better measurements. :)
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Re: power system
« Reply #14 on: January 07, 2010, 07:50:32 PM »
Just for giggles Iago, where would Lea fall in this hypothetical, precocious werewolf-compiled listing?   :)
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