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This is seriously ****ed up
« on: January 20, 2009, 11:11:10 PM »
Apparently, a SF writer has threatened the life of an anthology editor/critic over a bad review:

http://docbrite.livejournal.com/656896.html

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Re: This is seriously ****ed up
« Reply #1 on: January 21, 2009, 12:50:41 AM »
Really?  The logic behind that guy just makes me go huh?

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Re: This is seriously ****ed up
« Reply #2 on: January 21, 2009, 06:28:51 PM »
Way to obliterate any possibility of having a writing career in one easy move.
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Re: This is seriously ****ed up
« Reply #3 on: January 21, 2009, 11:05:00 PM »
at least he won't get anymore bad reviews...since he will have no more books

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Re: This is seriously ****ed up
« Reply #4 on: January 23, 2009, 01:34:04 AM »
He said he was in it for the art. lol.

Honestly the best advice I got from my art professor in college was to to expect and treasure criticism you received. Criticism is far more valuable than praise in most cases.

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Re: This is seriously ****ed up
« Reply #5 on: January 25, 2009, 12:22:15 AM »
If you're in it for the art of it, then you have no reason to be getting your work published.
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Re: This is seriously ****ed up
« Reply #6 on: January 26, 2009, 06:57:59 PM »
If you're in it for the art of it, then you have no reason to be getting your work published.

Not hardly;  you can want to get your story out to people who will appreciate it, which to my mind counts as being in it for the art, without thinking "this is a way of making money".
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Re: This is seriously ****ed up
« Reply #7 on: January 26, 2009, 07:08:32 PM »
Not hardly;  you can want to get your story out to people who will appreciate it, which to my mind counts as being in it for the art, without thinking "this is a way of making money".

Well, yeah, there's that, but if you're in it for the art, then shouldn't you also be willing to except that not everyone is going to view it the way you do? I don't know, the guy just seems out of it, to me.
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Re: This is seriously ****ed up
« Reply #8 on: January 26, 2009, 07:44:26 PM »
That dude was just pissed off because someone agreed with what the voices in his own head tells him.  I suspect it may have been his sense of taste
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Re: This is seriously ****ed up
« Reply #9 on: January 26, 2009, 09:58:18 PM »
Well, yeah, there's that, but if you're in it for the art, then shouldn't you also be willing to except that not everyone is going to view it the way you do? I don't know, the guy just seems out of it, to me.

This guy is completely crazy, no argument; I just don't think being in it for the art and wanting to get published are exclusive at all. 
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Re: This is seriously ****ed up
« Reply #10 on: February 17, 2009, 08:14:19 PM »
To paraphrase the master: Jim Butcher

"Sometimes they (his beta readers) will make a comment that makes me really mad, but usually as I'm flying off the handle a voice in my head says "You know your only this mad because they're right." "

He went on to say he doesn't understand why anyone would volunteer to be abused by a writer.

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Re: This is seriously ****ed up
« Reply #11 on: February 17, 2009, 09:49:05 PM »
There is a fine balance between criticism and pure snark though.  I can't read the article from my job but you have to learn the difference between those that will speak in order to teach you a harsh lesson and those that say something just to be mean.

You also can't please everyone all the time but yes, sometimes admitting mistakes is the hardest thing to overcome.  It's also what makes you the most angry because we tend to be our own harshest critics.
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Re: This is seriously ****ed up
« Reply #12 on: February 17, 2009, 11:50:12 PM »
There is a fine balance between criticism and pure snark though.  I can't read the article from my job but you have to learn the difference between those that will speak in order to teach you a harsh lesson and those that say something just to be mean.

You also can't please everyone all the time but yes, sometimes admitting mistakes is the hardest thing to overcome.  It's also what makes you the most angry because we tend to be our own harshest critics.

Well, in this case it wasn't something I'd consider either snark or meanness; it was just a single line to the effect that the relationships didn't feel believable.  Barely qualified as a review, in fact, so the guy's reaction seemed way out of proportion.
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Re: This is seriously ****ed up
« Reply #13 on: February 18, 2009, 12:36:40 AM »
To paraphrase the master: Jim Butcher

"Sometimes they (his beta readers) will make a comment that makes me really mad, but usually as I'm flying off the handle a voice in my head says "You know your only this mad because they're right." "

Huh. I missed one. Where'd you find that?
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Re: This is seriously ****ed up
« Reply #14 on: February 18, 2009, 03:21:27 PM »
He did fly off the handle.  Yikes!
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