Jim's stand on fic?

[DragonFire]

This goes to my point; I feel it was intended to be this way, to show that the people in the plot are unfocused, as discussed above. The Rand-machine, the Dragon's situation, was smaller earlier in the story; as such, it was easier to maneuver. But once everything gets too big, people's minds simply can't wrap themselves around it and retreat to the safety of the familiar - i.e., personal power, wishes, etc. - and it all falls apart. It's not that Jordan's writing became unfocused in my thought; it's that the characters themselves became unfocused.

Ah ok.....yeah I didn't get taht feeling.
I can see he was trying to show a world falling apart...but at the same time....it just dragged on too long.

[Guardian 452]

As for Jim, remember folks, he's not stomping on fan fic, he's not jackbooting about...he is asking not to know, so he doesn't HAVE to, by law, take action. IE, he doesn't give a damn, and would rather not be made to give a damn.

Going waaaay back in this thread, this is why I said you have to ask Jim himself if you get the chance to see him in person.

His response to the question of fanfic was actually a lot of fun.

As for later, I was responding to the comment about why authors have to come down so hard when they do know about it!

[Starbeam]

This goes to my point; I feel it was intended to be this way, to show that the people in the plot are unfocused, as discussed above. The Rand-machine, the Dragon's situation, was smaller earlier in the story; as such, it was easier to maneuver. But once everything gets too big, people's minds simply can't wrap themselves around it and retreat to the safety of the familiar - i.e., personal power, wishes, etc. - and it all falls apart. It's not that Jordan's writing became unfocused in my thought; it's that the characters themselves became unfocused.

This actually makes quite a bit of sense.  I remember reading an interview with Jordan several years ago.  He said that he knew exactly how the story was going to end, and has known since he started writing.  One thing I really remember that sticks out is that he said there were going to be quite a few loose ends that weren't going to be tied up.  Because that's how real life is.  Everything's not tied up in a neat little bow with no loose ends at all like Lucas did with the SW prequels.

[Shecky]

This actually makes quite a bit of sense.  I remember reading an interview with Jordan several years ago.  He said that he knew exactly how the story was going to end, and has known since he started writing.  One thing I really remember that sticks out is that he said there were going to be quite a few loose ends that weren't going to be tied up.  Because that's how real life is.  Everything's not tied up in a neat little bow with no loose ends at all like Lucas did with the SW prequels.

Exactly. DF, it feels that way even to me... but that's like dealing with the government. Too real and too icky.

[DragonFire]

Exactly. DF, it feels that way even to me... but that's like dealing with the government. Too real and too icky.

Eh...I don't read for it to be like real life!!!

Basically, while I agree, that sort of thing would happen in real life, he suddenly sprung it out in the middle of a 10+ book series.
He had obstacles and his hero's overcoming them, then all of sudden, his hero's are practically impotent, there's thousands of side plots, tons of new characters involved in said side plots......to the point where his books chapters jump from character to character.

LIke I said, it feels to me like he just lost control, rather than trying to simulate real life.

[Shecky]

Fair enough. I kind of had the "whoa, wait, when did everything start bogging down?" feeling myself, but only before I re-read the series. The slowdown has been building up since the beginning; it's just not obvious because they somehow manage to punch through and succeed early on.

[the neurovore of Zur-En-Aargh]

My biggest probelm with Matrix Reloaded?

The completely gratuitous Zion orgy scene.
I mean, wtf??

We want to see these people are Cool, so big multi-racial dance party with visible gay couples and triads if you look closely. Works for me.

[Shecky]

yay.

[DragonFire]

We want to see these people are Cool, so big multi-racial dance party with visible gay couples and triads if you look closely. Works for me.

Yeah...just don't see how it fits into the plot.
Unless that's how Zion celebrates all announcements of doom

Multi-racial orgy.

[Guardian 452]

I got the feeling it was how Zion celebrated everything.

One could almost imagine people going about their day to day life, having conversations starting with "You going to the orgy tonight?"

I also got the feeling that they really encouraged breeding, so....

[Uilos]

One could almost imagine people going about their day to day life, having conversations starting with "You going to the orgy tonight?"

Rome was burning for other reasons...

[Starbeam]

Fair enough. I kind of had the "whoa, wait, when did everything start bogging down?" feeling myself, but only before I re-read the series. The slowdown has been building up since the beginning; it's just not obvious because they somehow manage to punch through and succeed early on.

That was one thing I really like with Jordan.  There seemed to be so much pointless crap in so many of the later books, but then I went back and reread them one after another, I picked up a lot of stuff that made more sense that way.  Doesn't make quite the same sense when you go several years between books.

[Shecky]

Yup. It's like following politics by watching Headline News once a month.

[Tribblechomper]

Yup. It's like following politics by watching Headline News once a month.

Does anyone know who won the election, McCain or Obama?

(*puts away smarta$$ hat*)

[Mickey Finn]

Going waaaay back in this thread, this is why I said you have to ask Jim himself if you get the chance to see him in person.

His response to the question of fanfic was actually a lot of fun.

As for later, I was responding to the comment about why authors have to come down so hard when they do know about it!

Oh, I know, I was making sure other people didn't think Jim was being Di$neye$que.


Re: The Matrix party: Folks, it's the only time you get to see them enjoying life.