Author Topic: Word count and whatnot  (Read 4377 times)

Offline blgarver

  • Conversationalist
  • **
  • Posts: 543
  • There are three things all wise men fear...
    • View Profile
    • Video Samples
Word count and whatnot
« on: November 09, 2006, 03:55:41 PM »
Hello everyone...

I was wondering what your opinions (professional or otherwise) are about the proper length for a chapter in a book.  I realize there is no exact rule, but there are some things that work better than others. 

So far, I've been averaging about 12 pages (6000 words) per chapter.    It's all single spaced in MS Word.

Does this sound too long for chapter length?

Also, I was wondering what the ratio of word processor page to published book page is.  Like, does one MS Word page equal one published book page?  I'm a little confused when agents or publishers ask for a 5 page minimum submission or something like that.  Does that mean five pages of Word, or five equivelant book pages?

Thanks for any advice you guys can give me. 

Brandon Garver
I'm a videographer by trade.  Check out my work if you're a writer that needs to procrastinate.  Not as good as Rhett and Link, but I do what I can.
http://vimeo.com/user1855060/videos

Offline Sara Dennis

  • Participant
  • *
  • Posts: 17
    • View Profile
    • Sara Dennis Lives Here
Re: Word count and whatnot
« Reply #1 on: November 09, 2006, 04:13:13 PM »
So far, I've been averaging about 12 pages (6000 words) per chapter.    It's all single spaced in MS Word.

Does this sound too long for chapter length?

As you said, there is no rule. There are a few guidelines, depending on what genre you're writing. For me, as a romance writer, I tend to stick to about 12-15 double spaced pages. That's close to "average".  If you're writing fantasy or sf or mystery or something, that number could change.

Quote
Also, I was wondering what the ratio of word processor page to published book page is.  Like, does one MS Word page equal one published book page?  I'm a little confused when agents or publishers ask for a 5 page minimum submission or something like that.  Does that mean five pages of Word, or five equivelant book pages?

SMF (Standard Manuscript Format) is generally considered to be Courier or Courier New 12pt font, double spaced, with 1" margins all around. If that's what you're using, you get approximately 250 words/page, which is book equivalent.  This would mean that, yes, they're asking for 5 pages in your submission.

The important thing, of course, is to check the publisher or agent's guidelines. They may want some other kind of format, or go by computer word count, etc, and that could change what you turn in.

Hope that helps.
« Last Edit: November 09, 2006, 07:27:36 PM by Sara Dennis »

Offline blgarver

  • Conversationalist
  • **
  • Posts: 543
  • There are three things all wise men fear...
    • View Profile
    • Video Samples
Re: Word count and whatnot
« Reply #2 on: November 09, 2006, 05:19:38 PM »
Okay, thanks.  I didn't know about the SMF.   That's good to know.  I reformatted the first chapter per your info, and it's 26 pages long... *tugs collar nervously*
I'm a videographer by trade.  Check out my work if you're a writer that needs to procrastinate.  Not as good as Rhett and Link, but I do what I can.
http://vimeo.com/user1855060/videos

Offline Mickey Finn

  • Encyclopedia Salesman at the Gates of Mordor --- http://tinyurl.com/Amazon-Page-for-Finn
  • White Council
  • Posty McPostington
  • *****
  • Posts: 8382
  • Moderator, Thematic Consultant for Comic
    • View Profile
    • Amazon Profile
Re: Word count and whatnot
« Reply #3 on: November 09, 2006, 07:03:04 PM »
One of the most successful authors in the world, Terry Pratchett, usually doesn't use chapters.

And my favourite single chapter of any book is 3 words.

"Well, That sucked."


(Chris Moore, The Stupidest Angel.)
We are not nouns. We are VERBS. -Stephen Fry
The Universe is made of stories, not of atoms. -Muriel Rukeyser

Podcast: http://thegentlemennerds.com/

Wormwood Mysteries:
"All The Pretty Little Horses" http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00W8FE3FS 
"Sign of the Times" http://tinyurl.com/DirtyMagick

Offline blgarver

  • Conversationalist
  • **
  • Posts: 543
  • There are three things all wise men fear...
    • View Profile
    • Video Samples
Re: Word count and whatnot
« Reply #4 on: November 09, 2006, 09:39:58 PM »
One of the most successful authors in the world, Terry Pratchett, usually doesn't use chapters.

And my favourite single chapter of any book is 3 words.

"Well, That sucked."


(Chris Moore, The Stupidest Angel.)

No chapters???  Oh man, I think I need to level up before I try that.

I have more of a Stephen King kind of structure: Book>Part>Chapter>Section

I've never been an outliner.  I've tried it, just never been able to do it.
I'm a videographer by trade.  Check out my work if you're a writer that needs to procrastinate.  Not as good as Rhett and Link, but I do what I can.
http://vimeo.com/user1855060/videos

Offline Dom

  • Conversationalist
  • **
  • Posts: 255
  • "I can't believe it's not Butters!"
    • View Profile
Re: Word count and whatnot
« Reply #5 on: November 11, 2006, 09:34:39 PM »
I average 5 to 15 single spaced arial 12 point font pages in Word when I'm doing chapters.

Don't recall offhand how many words that is, though.
- has put $0.10 in the pun tip jar as of today.

Offline Jack_of_Names

  • Participant
  • *
  • Posts: 30
    • View Profile
Re: Word count and whatnot
« Reply #6 on: November 14, 2006, 05:58:56 PM »
Wow, using SMF, I've done FAR more than I thought I had... WOOOHOOOO! That's really cheered me up :)